Does the coronavirus merit investment, or personal, concern or consideration?

(Of course you know this… But like to rehash it every five minutes. How could they know who’s infected??? Impossible!)
That’s the whole point of testing and contact tracing… Find infected individuals before they exhibit symptoms and before they can widely spread the contagion. You don’t need any testing at all to just detect and quarantine all individuals exhibiting symptoms.

That’s why these charts are ever so slightly different between the two colors plotted, even though Korea got hit earlier, without the advanced notice the US had. Probably difficult to see the difference, it’s so small. Testing clearly had minimal effect and minimal benefit.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/covid-19-south-korea
Of course, CDC has travel to Korea at level 3 warning with “high” Covid-19 risk.

With the current prevalence of covid19 in the USA around 1500 times as much, what’s the relative CDC travel risk level for travel in or to the USA? “Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious High”?

Obviously you just read my first sentence.

And of course, there’s those same sky high projections we panicked over back in March. Completely irrelevant, but gotta push the talking points…

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These are actual confirmed deaths and projections of confirmed deaths, not “those same sky high projections”. By the WH’s preferred model (preferred because it’s been consistently underestimating projections because there are sensical assumptions if policy in the projections that are not going to happen here until after it doesn’t make a difference anymore.)

Trump ignored warnings as he pushed for reopenings, newly released coronavirus task force reports show

"Even as President Trump spurred states to lift lockdown measures and resume normal economic activity in the early summer, reports from his own White House coronavirus task force were presenting regular evidence that infections were rising in many parts of the country. "

" Trump is not known as a reader, and daily intelligence briefings have to be presented to him in an easily digestible format in order to keep his attention. His public statements indicate that he had lost interest in dealing with the virus by June and sought to declare the disease over and resume his beloved campaign rallies."

"For example, as the situation worsened in Florida, the task force urged the state to adopt a universal mandate, especially in hot-spot counties. Trump did not push Gov. Ron DeSantis to implement that measure, and when Pence visited Florida in early August he did not do so either, electing to praise DeSantis instead for his “leadership” and “professionalism.”

Since then, 5,187 people have died in Florida from the coronavirus."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/31-times-trump-said-the-coronavirus-would-go-away/2020/04/30/d2593312-9593-4ec2-aff7-72c1438fca0e_video.html

Trump called for Obama to resign when one American died of Ebola, but recently when asked if 160,000 Americans had died on Obama’s watch, he would have called for Obama’s resignation, he said “No.”

But that’s only because Obama stopped testing for Ebola. That’s what made the cases go away.
And then he cleaned out the cupboards, until they contained no more lions and tigers. They were all bear.

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Well, one was a virus that had been around for nearly 40 years. Certainly it’s reasonable to hold to the same standards and expectations a novel virus that (as so many people - including yourself - insisted and continue to insist) ‘we’ve never seen the likes of before’.

Keep laughing about “it going away”. You and yours continually say it’s going to go away - that’s the entire basis for continuing to hide in isolation instead of getting on with life, because one day it will be gone and then it’ll be “safe”.

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If all the nuts drank the Kool-Aid and voted for fragile Joe, I suspect we’d see fewer and fewer Chicken Littles and there would be stories popping up on CNN, MSNBC, etc that say we need to start getting back to normal … that the economy isn’t going to right itself … that we’ve done enough to save the human race and lets just throw everyone with Covid-19 into nursing homes. It’s proven to work in NY. Just ask Fredo’s brother.

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Yeah. Totally agree, It’s not as deadly as the media claims.

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I can remember a day when the dead were allowed to rest in peace. But for today’s left, nothing whatsoever is sacrosanct. Their failed ideology is paramount and its elevation transcends all other considerations. Liberals suffer from a sickness compared to which COVID-19 is akin to the common cold.

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You do understand that “not that deadly” does allow for the fact that people do die from it?

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"For a growing number of coronavirus patients, recovery hasn’t been swift or easy. In fact, it’s been almost as bad as having the virus itself. I should know — it’s been my daily hell.

Ever since coming down with COVID-19 symptoms in late January, my body feels as though it has been put through the grueling paces of the New York City Marathon without having the proper training for the 26.2-mile run. Or for the tech-savvy, like an iPhone 6S that won’t charge beyond 50 percent.

If I overexert myself, I get a burning, acidic feeling in my lungs, and breathing becomes difficult. A dry cough, along with heart palpitations, come and go. Every muscle and joint aches. If I stand up too quickly, the room gets dark and I nearly pass out.

Electric-like zaps, along with nerve-tingling, radiate throughout my arms, legs and feet. I’m in a constant “brain fog,” always having trouble processing what I’ve just read or heard, or constantly trying to remember familiar names, dates and facts. I have constant pounding headaches that make it extremely difficult to do much of anything. And my dreams — when I can actually get more than three hours of sleep — are intense, bizarre and movie-like."

The administration has wounded another American Institution. We had the most respected and competent health agencies in the world before the razing.

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All part of turning the US into a Third World nation. Destroy the health agencies, the Census Bureau, the Post Office, the Justice Department, the voting system, the tax system, education, sports, the courts, judges, the financial system by putting America into incalculable debt, and destroy democracy.

Since most states are ignoring the CDC’s testing guideline anyway, now it’s in charge of implementing the federal eviction ban. That makes a lot more sense, since a former neurosurgeon is the secretary of HUD.

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WSJ virus update. There’s a bit more, but highlight below.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-virus-progress-report-11599001150?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

A Virus Progress Report - It’s no time to be complacent, but the summer surge has eased.
By The Editorial Board
We hate to be the bearer of good news, but here goes: The so-called second virus wave is receding and has been far less deadly than the first in the spring thanks to better therapies and government preparation. Nobody is suggesting we should now let it rip, but the progress should give Americans more confidence that schools and businesses can reopen safely.

Most states experienced flare-ups of varying degrees this summer as people gathered and travelled more. But outbreaks were worse in the South and West, for reasons that deserve more study but could include high rates of co-morbidities and more multigenerational households. Some U.S. nationals and migrant workersalso brought the virus from Mexico.

But the U.S. seven-day rolling average of new cases has fallen by about 40% from its peak on July 25. Hospitalizations and deaths in hot spots peaked at about the same time in apparent contradiction to epidemiological models that have predicted two- to three-week lags between cases, hospitalizations and deaths.Hospitalizations are down by 62% in Texas, 60% in Florida, 48% in Utah, 45% in California, and 44% in Louisiana from their peaks, which all occurred between July 21 and 24. Arizona’s hospitalizations began increasing in late May, a week or two earlier than in most states, and have fallen 78% since topping out July 12.Arizona has made so much progress that New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo removed it from his quarantine list last week. Notably, hospitalizations have been falling at about the same rate in Texas, Florida and Arizona as in the Northeast this spring. A second shutdown wasn’t needed to crush these outbreaks.

Hospitalizations have declined somewhat more slowly in California despite Gov. Gavin Newsom’s second lockdown in mid-July. By then cases and hospitalizations were already flattening in Southern California as many people were showing more prudence. Yet it’s notable that hospitalizations have fallen twice as fast in Southern California counties that reopened in the spring as in Bay Area counties. Their prolonged lockdowns may merely have delayed infections.Deaths appear to be falling more slowly, but state reports are often delayed. Many fatalities now being reported occurred over multiple days a week or two ago. Florida and Texas recently began reporting fatalities by the date that they occurred, and their data show that deaths peaked around July 24 and had fallen about 60% by Aug. 15.The best news is that the virus is killing fewer Americans than it did during the spring. Arizona, Florida and New York City have all recorded about the same number of cases per capita. New York City’s per capita death rate is about 5.6 times higher than Florida’s and four times higher than Arizona’s.

Covid-19 patients in the South and West have been somewhat younger than in the Northeast this spring, but death rates have been lower across all age groups. States report data using different age bands, which can make direct comparisons difficult. But we calculate that the case fatality rate among adults under age 44 is about 75% lower in Arizona than in New York City. Among those over 75, the case fatality rate is about 16% in Florida, 19% in California and 36% in New York City.

More testing is probably identifying less severe cases, but in-hospital death rates have also improved. One reason is better (and earlier) treatment including less intensive ventilation and therapies like remdesivir. Doctors in Texas and Arizona have said they prepared for their states’ surge by seeking advice from doctors in New York City.
States also are doing a better job protecting their elderly and vulnerable populations, so there have been relatively fewer deaths in nursing homes. Florida with 21.5 million people has reported 4,759 nursing-home deaths, and California with 39.5 million has recorded 4,078 compared to New Jersey’s 6,752 (8.9 million) and Massachusetts’s 5,903 (6.9 million).
Covid cases have been rising in some Midwest states, but the flare-ups so far are well below the spring Northeast debacle or the surge in the South and West. Flare-ups are inevitable until a vaccine is widely available, especially in places where there have been few cases. Nobody is suggesting the U.S. has achieved herd immunity and should now declare victory. Americans will have to behave cautiously for many more months, but it’s still worth taking stock of progress.

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Yes, but just as our summer surge is waning there is a massive uptick of the virus in Europe. Am just waiting for the Democrats to blame Trump for Europe’s woe. :rofl:

But seriously, happenings now in Europe merely reconfirm the viciousness of this virus. It’s not really under control anywhere, regardless apparent positive outcomes at any moment. The virus ebbs and flows and does so of its own accord. And it is an equal opportunity destroyer, not caring about political party or country.

Trump had better take what’s happening in Europe to heart. There is plenty of time between now and election day for a resurgence of the virus here, as there. In the absence of a vaccine, any efforts to place it under control, regardless where that happens, yield at best temporary improvement.

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Getting ready for vaccines in early Nov.

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Maybe Nov. 4?