Does the coronavirus merit investment, or personal, concern or consideration?

More evidence of Vit D helping to minimize the effects of the virus. This big Israeli study compared several different ethnic groups, including Arab and Ultra-Orthodox Jews where women’s traditional dress covers them much more than normal. Vit D levels for these groups varied by sex and so did the incidence of covid, suggesting a protective effect of good levels of Vit D.

I don’t think the Vit D helps you not get the virus, but that it helps you make it through the disease without needing to go to a hospital to get a positive test.

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Emails show HHS official trying to muzzle Fauci

"Alexander told Fauci’s press team that the scientist should not promote mask-wearing by children during an MSNBC interview.

In July, Alexander had cracked down on the CDC after it warned pregnant women about the virus. The agency’s warning “reads in a way to frighten women . . . as if the President and his administration can’t fix this and it is getting worse,” Alexander wrote in an e-mail, according to the Post.

Epidemiologists and other public health experts who reviewed excerpts of Alexander’s messages to the NIH said the advice he gave could harm the public.

“While children may not be the primary drivers of the outbreak, that sort of blanket statement is dangerous,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at the University of Arizona. “It’s important to remember that schools have been closed and we’re learning more about child to child transmission, but this statement has been proven wrong by not only the summer camp outbreak [in Georgia], but also household transmission.”

Forty four percent of the children and young adults at the unnamed camp tested positive for the virus in June, according to a CDC report; more than half of them were under the age of 10. And a recent study from the The American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children’s Hospital Association found that more than 513,000 children in the U.S. have caught the virus since the pandemic began, including 70,630 between Aug. 20 and Sept. 3.

Thanks for the info… I’m an outside person, & staying at home (except for groceries).

So I’m on the good side! Now, I’m sitting home waiting for that vaccine… :relaxed:

Yes, everyone is aware that it can happen. But one isolated example does not invalidate the hundreds of summer camps that operated all summer without incident.

This is what fear mongering is, focusing on the extreme outcomes instead of the actual risk levels.

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Post-COVID heart damage alarms researchers: ‘There was a black hole’ in infected cells

It impacts young people, athletes, and children as well.

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Same with coffee shops/ bars. (Excluding those who had known close contacts).

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Garlic update

Posted about this a couple of times up thread. Finally jumped.

Early counsel from Christopher Ranch said end of July. Contacted them again at that point and their advice had changed to “end of August”. Decided to wait, but earlier this week could wait no longer:

My two pounds of Christopher Ranch, Gilroy, CA, garlic arrived today. You can find this at Amazon. It is everything I had hoped for. Great USA new crop garlic; zero complaints. Feel most fortunate. Glad I waited. Shipment arrived VERY quickly via USPS Priority Mail. I would even consider buying this in absence of pandemic. This is the good stuff and you know it is from Gilroy and not elsewhere.

Other food going well considering no supermarket visits since March. Tonight it’ll be sweet corn-on-the-cob for dinner. Tomatoes, radishes, carrots, lettuce, apples, peppers . . . even butter . . . . all delivered today, all from local farms. Pretty nice.

Oranges have been a problem. They don’t grow where I live. Was substituting cantaloupes but no longer; out of season. So I had to turn back to Staples. Could be dicey. Hoping for the best.

The cooler weather now is a REAL help for home delivery of perishable fruits and vegetables. Course it’s still sixty degrees out there which is plenty hot for me. But sixty is a lot easier on fresh fruits and vegetables during shipment than the eighty degree weather we had back in July.

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Does all this food come in container boxes, tomatoes, especially? Thinking about how some of the mail gets tossed around & food could be mashed by the time it comes to your door.

I have ordered meat from Omaha & the packaging is really nice. Big problem is the cost of shipping on top of the price of the meat. I told the company I would order more if they would include shipping.
No go…

It sounds like you order mostly from Amazon or Staples. Interesting info you offer about ordering food.

I apologize for the misunderstanding. My fault. I was not clear.

Fresh fruits and vegetables are hand delivered to my home weekly by a special local service which acts as a clearing house for many of our local farms and growers. I have bought only garlic from Amazon. It is good. I have bought only bananas and oranges from Staples. Results have been mixed but mostly good.

The other fresh fruits and vegetables mentioned earlier I buy from that local provider. I do not know how to purchase those items, for home delivery on the net, elsewhere. It’s very perishable stuff. They come here with a cooler loaded with my order. I put outdoors an insulated, zippered bag. The delivery person moves my order from their cooler into my bag, zips it up, knocks on the door, and leaves. Thereafter I go out and bring in the bag and unpack. Everything is very cold and fresh. It is a most helpful service, but it is not available outside the region where I live. The service helps me and it helps our farmers and growers in this region, so it is a win-win.

She’s got all she’s getting … from me. :wink: I just want her to wear it in the winter, instead of having to pay storage fees for all 12 months. :money_mouth_face:

I bet he’s glad he kept the whole “AIDS was a CIA plot” idea to himself.

How can that be? Weren’t all of the kids locked up in cages and forced to drink out of toilets? If not, they should be to prevent others from getting infected. [tongue-in-cheek emoji here]

Is this the same math you’re using when flogging those raffle tickets for electric cars?

Oh, and why only 266,796. That sounds like some kind of a number from the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Could it not have been 266,797? Providing a very specific number doesn’t mean accurate.

And to top it off, some of those bikers drove home with their mouths open, becoming superspreader mobiles. Cluck Cluck!

This is the same silly-backside thinking that says AlGore can burn through a MW of electricity a week because he planted a tree.

Now I know what you mean when you said you wrote a book. :worried:

They never say the whole line … “Emails show HHS official trying to muzzle Fauci at a Nationals baseball game as he openly flouted his wear a mask mantra.”

It’s obvious they were trying to protect the people in his “line of fire”. If I thought half of what he said was the truth, I would be appreciative of the attempted muzzling and downright grateful for the successful muzzling.

And here we come to the pièce de résistance. With all of the marching, screaming, destruction, blazes, killings and other activities of violent peaceful protesters, have we not learned ANYTHING? BHM!!!

And someone please give researchers some Valium. They seem to be alarmed about something every time a microphone is nearby.

Turns out shouting and talking loudly, or even talking at all, is a lot more risky for aerosol transmission than just being near someone infected who is breathing normally.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-38808-z.pdf

Our results indicate that speech is potentially of much greater concern than breathing for two reasons: the particles on average are larger, and thus could potentially carry a larger number of pathogens, and much greater quantities of particles are emitted compared to breathing, thus increasing the odds of infecting nearby susceptible individuals.

A second key epidemiological implication of our results is that simply talking in a loud voice would increase the rate at which an infected individual releases pathogen-laden particles into the air, which in turn would increase the probability of transmission to susceptible individuals nearby49. For example, an airborne infectious disease might spread more efficiently in a school cafeteria than a library, or in a noisy hospital waiting room than a quiet ward.

Our results also clearly show that some participants release many more particles than others, for as-yet unclear reasons… suggesting that some as yet unknown physiological factor causes the dramatic variation among individuals… Regardless of the underlying physical mechanism, from an epidemiological perspective the existence of speech superemitters motivates consideration of a new hypothesis: that speech superemitters contribute to “superspreading” of infectious diseases transmitted by emitted airborne particles… Interestingly, our data show that speech superemitters are not necessarily breathing superemitters as well (Fig. 5A), suggesting that respiratory superemission during vocalized speech has a different underlying physiol- ogy than superemission during tidal breathing.

This may explain in part why airlines have not been documented for any super spreading events, despite having lots of people in close proximity and with limited ventilation, since most of the time people on planes are sitting quietly rather than talking or especially not talking loudly. In contrast, places like bars or concerts where there is lots of ambient noise and people have to speak loudly or yell to communicate are a lot more dangerous and have been documented to lead to widespread transmission in several cases. And of course all those BLM shouting events definitely definitely aren’t a public health hazard that should be shut down before they lead to more super spreading than they already have.

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Well, this explains the hullaballoo over Sturgis. It had nothing to do with the bikers. It was those loud motorcycles that made the Sturgis participants Super.

We’ve known this for many months, no? That church choir practice in WA where lots of people got sick was the first big story.

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Anecdotally yes, but this research put a bunch of hard numbers on it on how much worse (lots). I also found the breathing vs talking distinction interesting. For example, strictly in terms of number of particles emitted, loud spreech is about 5x worse than quiet speech and (hard to read Fig5) maybe 100x worse than just breathing normally.

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Get your popcorn ready. Paper on the Wuhan lab origins of the virus forthcoming shortly from the HK virologist whistleblower.

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It’s fair to say folks in Hong Kong today are not huge fans of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). :wink:

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