This is how public schools work. And private colleges. And immigration. You want in? Better get vaxxed for tetanus, diphtheria, whooping cough, hepatitis(es), measles, mumps, rubella, meningitis, chickenpox, and a few more, and tested for things that don’t have a vaccine, like tuberculosis.
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I did not say whether I do or do not support waiving the patents. But even if I was against it, it would not be because the government spent trillions of dollars to keep the economy going during the pandemic. Your argument is a logical fallacy. At least in my opinion.
I’m starting to get really tired of the “but schools do it so it’s fine!” crap. Schools do it because they are a close community that is together all day every day for years. Employers, that’s another issue that can be related to schools, depending on the work setting. But we’re talking about buying a bag of apples or going out for a pizza or catching a movie - tangent contact with a few random people in a public place that you most likely will never see again. It’s the polar opposite of schools.
You know, I retract my previous agreement that businesses can exclude nonprotected classes of people. It’s a building open to the public. They have no more right to require documentation to enter as they have to require a receipt check when leaving. If they want to set exclusions, they can go members-only.
I’m glad you’re not in charge of the pandemic response at any level of government 
. I think you’re seriously underestimating the numbers and the risk.
I don’t follow. Maybe I need a refresher on probability theory.
In a group of 100 vaccinated people, 5 may have a chance of being infected and spreading it to others within that sub-group of 5. It’s still only 5 in 100, at most. But in a group of 100 unvaccinated, just one infected person can infect the other 99. No?
Good thing I also mentioned immigration. You can’t immigrate to the US without getting vaxxed and tested.
I think you’re wrong. They can deny service to anyone they want. No shirt? No shoes? No vaccination card? NO SERVICE!
The thing about checking the receipt at the exit I think is because they can’t legally detain you. Not quite the same as not letting you inside in the first place. It’s not a building open to the public – it’s a private business.
How so? You can “think” whatever you want, but I used the actual numbers everyone has panicked over to reach my conclusions.
So keeping out diseases from foreign countries justifies creating a class system within our country?
We let in a disease from a foreign country, and we keep letting more in. I don’t know what it justifies, or whether a “class system” is even an appropriate description.
I was not referring to the money spent to keep the economy going (even though the extended unemployment insurance right now might be doing more harm than good). I was referring to the money spent to help stop the spread of COVID - i.e. the example I gave about billions to schools for new air conditioners.
There’s no vaccine for kids right now anyway, so spending billions on new air conditioners to minimize the spreading of the virus for those who can’t be vaccinated is still not relevant to the cost of the vaccine.
Kids is schools don’t spread the virus, so the fact that money is being spent to decrease covid spread on things that don’t decrease covid spread, while at the same time the government claiming they need big pharma’s IP in order to afford to decrease covid spread, is relevant.
If I said to my kids, I’m taking their college fund because the rent went up, and my kids pointed out that I had enough money last month to buy a new car, where is the logical fallacy in their point?
The rent didn’t go up because you bought a car, and the money spent on the car is gone, so there’s the fallacy. Now if they suggest you sell the car and use the funds to cover the rent increase, that’s not a fallacy .
This seems like quite a doozy:
So… are vaccinated people protected by the vaccine, or more by them stopping the covid test early? 'Cause if over 28 cycles now indicates a false positive, they could just stop the test early for everyone…
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If you say to your kids that you are taking their college fund to pay the rent for a home to live in, and they point out you are already paying rent for 3 other homes to live in…
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Whatever. Numbers. You said I underestimate the risk. Yet then dodged substantiating that claim.
Biden should tell congress to repeal all the useless covid spending, take the savings from the spending that hadn’t happened yet, and use it to pay big pharma instead of taking their IP.
There ya go, fallacy no more.
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Do you mean these:
That’s 30 million confirmed cases (< 1% of the population), but many more were infected and not tested. I think early on they said for every positive test there were 9 others who weren’t tested. That’s probably no longer true, if it ever was, or we’d all have been immune by now. But you’re also averaging out confirmed cases over 400 days and spreading it across the whole country, but that’s not how it actually happened. Winter was pretty bad. Urban centers fared worse than rural farms. If you lived in the middle of nowhere you probably never had to wear a mask. But if you were in LA this winter, your chances were probably higher than 1 in 100. And the hospitals were full.
Legal immigration and following the written rules currently are not a priority for the administration.
The government says it has insufficient time and space to test migrants upon their arrival. So while migrants get a basic health screening, testing is being postponed until their release to local community groups, cities and counties, usually after the new arrivals have spent days confined in tight spaces with scores of strangers, often sleeping shoulder to shoulder on mats on the floor.
And that’s 100-200k new illegal aliens every month being allowed in to freely wander the country, rather than say, being forced to wait in Mexico until they were properly assessed, the US was ready for whatever immigration or asylum process to begin, and they’d been fully tested for health threats to the country. Nah, that’s crazy talk.
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I already noted there were “hot spots”. Now you have as well. When you factor out those anomalies, the broad risk goes down even further, not up. So can we finally stop with the blanket its-too-dangerous-you-need-to-do-this-to-be-safe-or-else-you-are-an-idiot-who-is-going-to-kill-everyone stuff?
And you are correct, total cases far exceeds the confirmed positive count, and at 10x we’d all be immune. Which means, whatever you want to use as the multiple, there is a crap ton of people out there who are immune, with or without being vaccinated. So explain why the vaccine must be considered the sole bastion of safety? Your vaccination requirement is not only admitting some people who are completely unprotected, it also intentionally excludes a lot of people who are fully protected.
Nevermind the fact that even multiplying confirmed cases by 10, that still yields over 97% of people being completely harmless at any given time (yes, on average). Unless in a close, constrained setting - like a shared living space, or even a school - that isnt a particularly acute risk for casual contact.
I wont get into how the vaccine is limited to protecting you from one specific protein, while natural immunity is from exposure to the entire virus and thus produces a much broader response. Even if your exposure was mild and quickly erradicated, your body did learn part of the solution to fending off future infection. As opposed to the vaccine not taking, which leaves you with nothing going forward.
Which is all to say that all this is not being driven by risk or “the science”, it’s being driven by fear. Fear of the unknown. You dont know who is infected, who’s been infected, who’s immune, or who’s a threat. The one thing you can know is if someone has been jabbed. So you latch onto that - not because it yields safety (as many as half the vaccinations are merely redundant), but because knowing yields comfort. And making you feel comfortable is a piss-poor reason to punish people and banish them from the public.
Shots for thee, but not for me; NYC edition. Candidates for the difficult job of governing worse than mayor Bill DeBlasio lined up their talking points.
All eight candidates opposed forcing teachers to be vaccinated against the coronavirus before the next school year, possibly to avoid crossing the powerful United Federation of Teachers and other school-worker unions.
But five — Yang, Garcia, Stringer, Donovan and Morales — said they wanted students to get the shots.
There’s not even a completed vaccine trial yet for age 0-11, let alone good enough results and a review for an emergency authorization (nor will there be until Sept-Oct at the soonest), and already these immunology geniuses know what’s best for this coming fall’s school requirements.
This just shows they’re qualified to make stuff up on policy to cater to the whims of their voting blocks without having a clue on the underlying issues. “Facts? I need votes, not facts! “
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So what’s the alternative? Go back to business-as-usual and see what happens, and lock-down if hospitals start filling up again?