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Just another quack kicked out of a TX hospital for “covid misinformation”. Demon sperm, right? Not so fast…

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/13/us/houston-doctor-suspended-covid-19/index.html

Dr. Mary Bowden, an ear, nose and throat doctor at Houston Methodist Hospital, posted “harmful” and “dangerous misinformation” about Covid-19 and its treatments, according to the hospital… used her social media to “express her personal and political opinions about the COVID-19 vaccine and treatments,” Houston Methodist said in a statement on Twitter.

CNN buries the lead tho…

Bowden’s attorney Steven Mitby said the doctor has treated "more than 2,000 patients with Covid-19" at her private practice and that none of them have ended up in the hospital. “Her early treatment methods work and are saving lives,” he added.

Sounds like they should be learning from what she’s doing right, but from the hospitals perspective with the feds paying for all things covid, why use cheap therapies early on when you can bill for expensive ones later (that work less well)? Of course she’s using FLCCC’s ivermectin and other early prevention approaches, including several other thoughtful things I hadn’t seen before.

And her disagreeable “opinions” about the vaccine apparently consist of having it herself but thinking it should be optional generally. Radical I know.

But hey, at least thanks to this article I found her webpage which seems quite good.

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The PFE pill that showed roughly 90% reduced progression from mild to worse covid in high risk cases is a protease inhibitor, which is to say it prevents the viral proteins, originally produced in a single long combined strand in an infected cell, to be cut up into their separate useful pieces to assemble more viruses. Without this process, or without it working well, viral replication is slowed or stopped.

Guess the Bee was right again on their Pfizermectin call. One guess what else is a good 3CL protease inhibitor?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-020-01577-x
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Incidentally the original Bee article was no where to be found on a Google search for “Pfizermectin” (I gave up after 3 pages, first hit was Pfizer’s website followed by lots of debunking and fact checks that they weren’t the same). DuckDuckGo had them 3rd behind, reasonably so, Snopes on how they weren’t (completely) the same.

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PFE is going to ask for an Emergency authorization directly (today?) for their “definitely not Pfizermectin” pill, whatever they call it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-16/pfizer-asks-fda-to-clear-covid-pill-for-high-risk-patients

Apparently Biden admin is buying 10M courses worth of it at $500 a pop.

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Big pharma is cleaning up with this pandemic.

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Definitely not. It’s Pfivermectin, get it right :wink:

Ugh.That’s fucked up.

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Thank you, Bud and Lou.

Lots of variations abound, but I laughed at this one. I imagine Bud to be Dr. Fauci and Lou to be Dr./Sen. Paul.

Bud: I got my vaccination. I am now protected from the virus.

Lou: Not me. No one’s gonna jab a needle in my arm.

Bud: You must.

Lou: Why?

Bud: To protect me.

Lou: From the virus?

Bud: Yes.

Lou: But I thought you said you were vaccinated.

Bud: I am.

Lou: You’re protected?

Bud: Correct.

Lou: From the virus?

Bud: Yes.

Lou: So, I don’t need a vaccination.

Bud: But you do.

Lou: Why?

Bud: To protect me.

Lou: I thought you were vaccinated.

Bud: I am.

Lou: And the vaccination protects you?

Bud: It does.

Lou: So, I don’t need to get vaccinated to protect you because you’re already protected from the virus by the vaccination you already got.

Bud: No, you must get the vaccination to protect me from the virus.

Lou: You mean the vaccination doesn’t work?

Bud: It does work.

Lou: If the vaccination works and you’re protected from the virus because you already got the vaccination then it doesn’t matter if I don’t get vaccinated.

Bud: But it does matter. Because if you don’t get vaccinated you can give me the virus.

Lou: Let me see if I have this straight.

Bud: Okay.

Lou: You got the vaccination?

Bud: Yes.

Lou: The vaccination protects you from the virus?

Bud: Correct.

Lou: So, it doesn’t matter if I don’t get the vaccination because you’re already protected from the virus?

Bud: No.

Lou: Are you telling me the vaccination doesn’t work?

Bud: No, I’m telling you the vaccination does work.

Lou: Then why must I get the vaccination?

Bud: To protect me from the virus.

Lou: This doesn’t makes any sense.

Bud: But it does make sense. Why don’t you understand? Besides, you are required to get the vaccination, whether you like it or not.

Lou: What?

Bud: Everyone in America must get the vaccination.

Lou: Everyone?

Bud: Everyone. Except for a few people.

Lou: Who?

Bud: Members of Congress.

Lou: Members of Congress?

Bud: Yes.

Lou: You’re telling me everyone in America must get the vaccination except Members of Congress?

Bud: And their staff.

Lou: Their staff don’t have to get the vaccination?

Bud: Nope.

Lou: Why are Members of Congress and their staff exempt?

Bud: Because the president needs Congress to pass his spending bills.

Lou: Oh, it’s a political favor.

Bud: Of course, it is.

Lou: So, everyone in America must get the vaccination except Members of Congress and their staff?

Bud: And postal workers.

Lou: What? Postal workers don’t have to get the vaccination?

Bud: That is correct.

Lou: I’m sure I don’t want to know, but please tell me why.

Bud: Because the postal workers union endorsed the president.

Lou: Their exemption was not based on a medical reason?

Bud: No.

Lou: Not based on science?

Bud: Not hardly.

Lou: The decision is based on who voted for which candidate?

Bud: Now, you get it!

Lou: The president gets to decide who must get vaccinated and who doesn’t?

Bud: Yes.

Lou: Not a doctor, but the president decides?

Bud: That is correct.

Lou: Where does the president get his medical advice?

Bud: Probably from his wife.

Lou: Is she a doctor?

Bud: Yes.

Lou: That’s a relief.

Bud: But not a medical doctor.

Lou: She’s not a medical doctor?

Bud: No.

Lou: How many kinds of doctors are there?

Bud: Lots.

Lou: What kind of doctor is she?

Bud: E.D.

Lou: She has erectile dysfunction?

Bud: No. She has a doctorate in ED. Education.

Lou: She’s a school teacher?

Bud: Correct.

Lou: Do people call school teachers “doctor”?

Bud: Only her. And only on CNN.

Lou: The bottom line is the president gets his medical advice from his wife who is a doctor, but not a real doctor. She’s just a school teacher doctor, right?

Bud: Fauci.

Lou: Fauci? What’s a Fauci? Is that some kind of school teacher doctor?

Bud: Fauci is not a what, but a who.

Lou: Okay, who is Fauci?

Bud: He’s also advising the president.

Lou: Is he a medical doctor?

Bud: Yes.

Lou: That’s good news. So the president gets medical advice from his wife, who is not an actual doctor, and doesn’t know anything about medicine, and he also gets advice from a medical doctor. Does this medical doctor study viruses?

Bud: Yes.

Lou: Great!

Bud: And helps create viruses.

Lou: Huh? What do you mean?

Bud: Fauci is the guy who runs the office that gave money to the Chinese lab that created the virus.

Lou: Fauci gave his money to the Chinese?

Bud: No, not his money. He gave taxpayer money.

Lou: Taxpayer money?

Bud: Yup.

Lou: So the American taxpayer paid to create the virus?

Bud: You, sir, are correct.

Lou: At least Fauci told us he was doing this.

Bud: He did not.

Lou: Nobody asked him?

Bud: Yes, they did. Under oath.

Lou: And he admitted he gave taxpayer money to the Chinese lab?

Bud: No, he said he didn’t.

Lou: If he swore under oath that he did not fund the Chinese lab then how did we find out he did?

Bud: We have the papers that proved Fauci did exactly what he claimed he didn’t do.

Lou: Isn’t it illegal to lie under oath?

Bud: Yes.

Lou: Is Fauci gonna be charged with a crime?

Bud: No.

Lou: Why not?

Bud: Because some lies are good lies.

Lou: You mean like telling children there is a Santa Claus?

Bud: No, that’s an evil lie because it perpetuates the falsehood that a happily married, cisgender, white male does good deeds around the world. The good lies are the ones that support politically correct narratives, such as the Russians stole the 2016 election.

Lou: Let’s get back to the Chinese and their lab.

Bud: Okay.

Lou: The Chinese don’t like us, do they?

Bud: They do not.

Lou: And this Chinese lab is the place that could create the material used in biological weapons?

Bud: Yes.

Lou: Why on earth would Fauci give them taxpayer money?

Bud: For science.

Lou: Let me get this straight. Vaccinations work because they protect us from the virus, but unvaccinated people must get vaccinated because they can give the virus to people who are already protected from the virus because they have been vaccinated, but the vaccinated can still catch the virus even though vaccinations work.

Bud: Precisely!

Lou: And the medical doctor advising the president is the one who gave American taxpayer money to the Chinese lab that created the virus that led to the global pandemic and he lied about doing this.

Bud: Now you got it.

Lou: Fauci must be the most hated man in America.

Bud: No, no. Fauci is beloved.

Lou: This doesn’t make any sense. Who loves him?

Bud: Politicians, news media, Hollywood, big tech, and government employees who get paid to stay home during lockdowns.

Lou: And the rest of America? The workers, entrepreneurs, first responders, farmers, tradesmen, factory workers, business owners, and families? Do they like Fauci?

Bud: Not in the slightest.

Lou: Let me get back to this. Everyone in America must get vaccinated except for Members of Congress, their staff, and members of the postal workers union.

Bud: And illegal immigrants.

Lou: Huh?

Bud: Illegal immigrants are exempt from getting vaccinations.

Lou: They belong to a union, too?

Bud: Don’t be silly.

Lou: Why are illegal immigrants exempt from getting vaccinations?

Bud: Because the president wants to immediately make them citizens so they can vote for him in 2024.

Lou: Is any of this legal?

Bud: Probably not … : (

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Bravo! Great work whoever put that together.

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Here’s the CT nursing home version of “vaccines work”.

Eight people are dead and just shy of 100 more have become infected with COVID-19 after an outbreak at a Connecticut nursing home.

Of the 89 total infections, 87 people were fully vaccinated, the nursing home said.

Now, eight residents have died, and 67 residents and 22 staff members caught COVID-19 sometime in the past month and a half. Nursing home officials said 48 residents and 21 staff members have recovered from the virus

The nursing and rehab center houses only 70 residents and all eight people who died has serious underlying health issues.

So 8/67 nursing home residents died from covid, at most 2 of whom were unvaccinated. So that a 9-12% death rate from covid for a fully vaccinated high risk person. and 20 more people still not recovered.

This stuff is no joke and the vaccines aren’t helping as much as people thought earlier on.

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My opinion is that those people had the deck stacked against them anyways. The medically frail has, is, and always will be far more subject to these unfortunate outcomes. It really isnt a commentary on the vaccine itself, except to help highlight the fallacy of the vaccine getting such a hard sell as the being magical solution for everyone.

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Could it be that delta is not just a variant but a new virus?

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I’m not sure exactly what you mean (what counts as a new virus, exactly), but I don’t think there’s any evidence of meaningful quantities of other types of covid variants besides Delta these days.

There is a subtype of Delta that they’re watching that might be a little bit more transmissible or something, but I don’t think it’s obviously that much more transmissible or harmful from what they observe so far.

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I don’t know either but I wonder about it… the vaccines seem much less effective against delta than the original and earlier strains.

thanks for the links!

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Yes, they absolutely are less good against the new strains. I think in part this is because the new strains cause the infection to happen faster, so you become symptomatic and contagious sooner than in the Wuhan Classic, and in part because your body’s immune system is more prepared for the Classic virus due to the vaccines all using that RNA code rather than updating it for the newer variants.

That said, your immune system is evolved to deal with viruses mutating - they’ve been doing that forever after all, so you do generate a range of antibody and T-cell responses that hopefully covers the variants that are likely to be encountered and at least be reasonably good against them. I think that’s why now people get somewhat sick from Delta (efficacy for vaccines vs infection is only 50% after 6 months or so) but are still more protected against serious health problems (efficacy for vaccines vs hospitalization or death is 80-90%). Both are lower than originally 90-95% for mRNA based vaccines, but still fairly good on the latter front.

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But…isnt that effect muted by the vaccine only exposing you to the one protein, rather than the full profile of the virus? It doesnt take much for that one piece to mutate enough so that your immune system no longer recognizes it, since it was never introduced the other pieces that allows it to quickly narrow down the puzzle it’s responding to.

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It’s complicated and I don’t play an immunologist online but my understanding is that you still get a fair bit of variability in your defense from the vaccine. Plus several of the other parts of the virus aren’t as useful to have antibodies against since they aren’t exposed for the antibodies to easily attach to or they don’t stop / slow reproduction the way blocking the spikes would.

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My own approach to this virus has not changed from the jump. It can be summed up fairly succinctly:

  1. This is truly the virus from hell. You do not want to contract this virus even if you “recover” thereafter.

  2. Get all your shots including your booster when appropriate.

  3. Most important after getting your shots, behave as if you never had received your shots.

It’s an “all hands on deck” approach. That’s what I have been doing.

So far so good. Hoping for the best.

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This is terrible advice for the VAST majority of people. And also bad for our society as a whole.

EDIT: I missed the part where you said it was the approach you were taking and weren’t recommending it in general. Thanks for the clarification.

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Hey . . . whatever. Re-read my unedited post.

I only wrote about that as being my personal approach. I did not intend to recommend others follow my course of action.

I actually believe other people should do whatever they feel is best for themselves and for their families. I certainly do not think, for example, that forced vaccination is a good thing. This even though I personally am vaccinated and would encourage - but never force - others to take the leap.

This is (what’s left of) America. People have a right to be wrong. And that includes me!

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There’s a big difference between offering advice and expecting it to be followed. You are free to suggest anything you feel is appropriate, but its up to each individual to decide the veracity of that advice and how to apply it to their own choices. And I think that’s the overriding point (which I think you agree with) - there is no right answer, and what’s best for one isn’t best for everyone. Do what you deem to be best, and respect others for doing what they’ve deemed best.

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I used to respect people in general that were overly cautious. Shortly after everyone had the opportunity to get the vaccine, but Delta hadn’t taken hold yet, left leaning people started taking off their masks and congregating (what many folks on the right were already doing). Then Delta happened, mask recommendations and mandates came back, and people went back. I understood it and went along in certain settings to make people feel better. Breakthrough cases were quite rare, and those left leaning folks didn’t see Delta do much damage to their vaccinated friend groups. It mostly ransacked the unvaccinated. But when Delta receded, many of those same vaxxed left leaning people have not returned to normal. They don’t have a scientific basis for continuing to act as risk adverse as they are. I believe their attitude is a big reason behind why my 5 year old is still stuck wearing a mask in preschool and I have a huge problem with that.

So no, I no longer automatically respect others for being overly cautious. If they look very old, I respect their choices. If they look like they have a health condition, I respect their choices. If they look under 60 and spry, and they are choosing to mask, social distance, and be overly cautious, my default is that I do not respect their decisions. Obviously some of them are immunocompromised (or live with someone who is) and there is no way for me to see that. But the vast majority of them do not have that going on and are just prolonging our society’s overreaction (at this point with vaccinations available to all). So at the risk of wrongly having no respect for some people I should respect, I am now not respecting most people I see acting like we are still living in May 2020.

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