Inflation/stagflation Thread

I think the Fed hopes long term rates will decrease when they lower short term rates. The 10 year rate is used to set interest rates for many types of loans so a high rate slows economic activity.

As you mentioned the Fed funds rate directly affects only short term rates. Quantitative easing where the Fed buys bonds and mortgages to affect long term rates was not used in the United States until the GFC starting in 2007. The latest round ended in 2022. These rounds lead to a huge buildup in the value of the assets held by them. At the end of the latest round, the Fed held over $6 trillion in assets.

As the assets mature they affect the money supply and cause other distortions so the Fed is reluctant to do more purchases. They are only left with a hope. The graph I posted shows it is not happening.

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Do you have any evidence for this claim? People who have no idea how interest rates work certainly have this hope, but I don’t believe the FED does.

long term rates will be set by the bond vigilantes … soon. Who would lend to US treasury for 30+yrs given our recent track record??

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Are you referring to the long term debt investors, they don’t have to bid on treasuries if they don’t like the yield given our countries credit situation?

Or are you talking about the Fed - Manipulating the rates lower the way the bank of Japan has, forcing interest rates lower by being willing to buy unlimited amounts of debt to push their long term debt yield is low they want them?

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nah… it’s Lord Elon!

If he and Vivek lotsofletters can actually drain a small portion of the swamp, that will lower 10 and 30 year rates more than Powell (who got his last shot at Trump before bailing). But that is a very tall order. The swamp is supported, and filled, by members of both parties.

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Outside of 30-yr TIPS, not many I suspect. The current yields for 10+ yr bonds are way underpricing the credit/inflation risk IMO. Only treasuries I’m buying are ultra-short term (as cash basically) or TIPS. With current fiscal trajectory, anything else is too risky for me.

That free market guy Milei in Argentina is doing great - slashing the government and inflation.

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They’re showing up in the EU rates as France and UK debt and governance woes weigh on their fiscal credibility.

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The US as well

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Yesterday saw Dec’24 CPI up 0.4%, or about 4.9% annualized, but markets expected worse.

  • US CPI MOM ACTUAL 0.4% (FORECAST 0.4%, PREVIOUS 0.3%)
  • US CORE CPI YOY ACTUAL 3.2% (FORECAST 3.3%, PREVIOUS 3.3%)
  • US CPI YOY ACTUAL 2.9% (FORECAST 2.9%, PREVIOUS 2.7%)
  • U.S. CORE CPI: 3.2% YEAR-OVER-YEAR (EST. 3.3%)
  • US SUPERCORE CPI YOY 4.05%, MOM 0.21% (VS 0.342% PREVIOUSLY)

market reaction

  • US SHORT-TERM INTEREST-RATE FUTURES JUMP AFTER INFLATION DATA.
  • US TREASURY TWO-YEAR YIELD FALLS FURTHER AFTER INFLATION DATA, DOWN 6.5 BPS AT 4.299%
  • TRADERS PRICE IN MORE FED EASING AFTER THE DECEMBER CPI DATA.
  • RATE-FUTURES TRADERS ADD TO BETS ON FED RATE CUT IN JUNE, PRICE RISING CHANCE OF A SECOND FED RATE CUT IN 2025, AFTER INFLATION DATA

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm

comments:

  • FED’S BARKIN: INFLATION TRENDING TOWARD 2% TARGET, JOB MARKET STABILIZED, ECONOMY REMAINS SOLID WITH NO OVERHEATING CONCERNS; NOTES BUSINESS PRICE-SETTING RETURNING TO PRE-PANDEMIC PATTERNS AND LONG RATES UNLIKELY TO INFLUENCE POLICY FOR NOW
  • FED’S BARKIN: I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT AN OVERHEATING ECONOMY RIGHT NOW, DEMAND IS SOLID BUT NOT BOOMING.
  • FED’S BARKIN I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING IN LONG RATES THAT WOULD INFLUENCE FED POLICY AT THIS POINT.
  • FED’S WILLIAMS: MONETARY POLICY DATA-DEPENDENT IN UNCERTAIN ENVIRONMENT; EXPECTS DISINFLATION TO CONTINUE, GROWTH TO MODERATE TO 2%, UNEMPLOYMENT AT 4%-4.25%, AND INFLATION TO REACH 2% IN COMING YEARS; NOTES EASING HOUSING INFLATION AND SMOOTH BALANCE SHEET DRAWDOWN
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So which of these is relevant to setting the TIPS/I-bond inflation rates?

Here’s what David Enna at tipswatch says

What this means for TIPS and I Bonds

Investors in Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities and U.S. Series I Savings Bonds are also interested in non-seasonally adjusted inflation, which is used to adjust principal balances on TIPS and set future interest rates for I Bonds. For December, the BLS set the inflation index at 315.605, an increase of 0.04% over the November number.

It is normal for non-seasonally adjusted inflation to run lower than official inflation in December. In fact, last month was the first December since 2021 to not record non-seasonally adjusted deflation for the month. The numbers will turn around in January, with non-seasonal running higher than seasonal.

For TIPS. December inflation means that principal balances for all TIPS will increase by 0.04% in February, after falling 0.05% in January. Here are the new February Inflation Indexes for all TIPS.

For I Bonds. The December report is the third of a six-month string that will determine the new variable rate, to be reset as of May 1 and eventually roll into place for all I Bonds. As of December, inflation has increased just 0.1% for the three months, translating to a variable rate of 0.2%.

However, that is pretty meaningless. Non-seasonally adjusted inflation will pick up in January. For example: In 2023, inflation for October to December was -0.34%, but the next three months brought the variable rate up to 2.96%. Here are the data:

So if .04% is the relevant number, then none of the data Xerty listed gives any indication of the TIPS/I-bond inflation adjustments?