Maybe I haven’t paid enough attention, or maybe I chose to ignore them because such ideas don’t have much chance to gain traction.
Are you an expert on the subject? I think claiming that it represents modesty to every single woman who wears it is an erroneous one.
I suppose it’s a form of protest. I’m voting with my wallet.
Probably not. There is a difference between knowing and not knowing, as I specifically mentioned in an earlier post here:
I suppose that depends on how repugnant I find it and whether that moves me to take action. I’m not the type to stand with a sign in front of a building (I don’t have time for that), but I would post an online review that mentions it. Give others a chance to vote with their wallet also.
Again, difference between knowing and not knowing (see above). Showing it implies pride, hiding it implies shame or fear.
Maybe, if doing so is legal, those checked body parts are required to be visible for the job, and the tattoos are unacceptable for the job. Are we playing 20 questions now?
Yes - Dont-ask-dont-tell was such a widely cheered and definitely not controversial policy…
It’s rather funny that you want to allow people to be proud of who they are only when you’ve decided that you like what they’re proud of. I’m sure they have decided that you arent allowed to be proud of who you are, so maybe you are the one who should shut up and hide it? Because you have no more status to impose your beliefs than anyone else. That’s the root issue here, how you’ve annointed yourself judge jury and executioner when you are nothing but another face in the crowd. Succumbing to the one who yells the loudest violates every premise of being a land of the free.
A tattoo, any tattoo, in no way affects one’s ability to serve food or their talent selling real estate. So you are now admitting it would be wrong to fire such an emplyee for having a tattoo?
In other words, you plan on avoiding businesses run by Christians and Hasidic Jews who make it obvious they are devout followers of their faith, but you’ve come up with a way to wiggle out of doing the same thing for Muslims who make it clear they are also devout - because to you, it’s still not clear for some reason. Got it. Totally consistent.
You literally spouted one of their talking points, so their ideas have clearly gained traction with you.
Telling me that I cannot protest a business violates every premise of being a land of the free. It’s my freedom to yell as loud as I want. And your freedom to succumb or not succumb.
No, you only think that I’ve come up with an excuse because you don’t know or can’t imagine my reasoning. I’ve met Muslims who consider themselves devout but do not wear a hijab. I’ve also met gay Muslims who’d probably be stoned if they came out in most (all?) Muslim countries. There’s nuance to being “devout.” And yes, this applies to all religions.
Are you suggesting that I’m “prosecuting” thought-crime? Think whatever you want, but a tattoo on the forehead is not just thought, it’s an expression.
But this isn’t about people you’ve met. This is about business owners. We’re not expected to meet business owners before deciding to patronize their business. You admitted this yourself when you said you look for outward facing symbols - things worn with pride - to determine whether you will patronize a business. A hijab is an outward facing symbol that signifies agreement with the belief that is it the role of women to dress a certain way as not to attract the male gaze. Yet you keep saying, since it could mean something else (even though it generally doesn’t), you aren’t going to treat that outward facing symbol the same as you would other symbols from other religions with values you disagree with.
Instead of attempting to be consistent (and failing) in not patronizing businesses with values you disagree with, you could be consistent (and succeed) by patronizing businesses based on how well they provide their specific goods and services and not on nuanced values you may or may not disagree with (and would have a very hard time figuring out without actually meeting them).
Nope. Not original at all. The new part is that they are openly saying it as democrat elected members of congress while their fellow representatives and the media barely bat an eye.
But I think we both agree that it’s not their idea:
So don’t tell me that their ideas gained traction with me.
They’re not representing my district, I didn’t vote for them. But the idea that Israel doesn’t always do the right thing gains traction because there’s just too much evidence to ignore. But that’s a separate subject altogether, I don’t know how it got mixed into this.
What I just said is a fact. I can only assume you disagree with the facts because you are worried you will be labeled an islamophobe or you just like eating at middle eastern restaurants and don’t want to think about the fact that you are supporting businesses with values you disagree with. If you’re going to be a hardliner on your boycott stance, you gotta give some stuff up buddy. These aren’t my rules. They’re your rules. I’m trying to get you to follow my rules so you can keep eating there.
You’d stop shopping at a small business if the owner had a “CHOOSE LIFE” license plate, or a “Support Your Local Pregnancy Resource Center” donation cup on the counter, but you’ll keep eating at Kebab place with women wearing hijabs? The cognitive hoops you jump through are something else. I really wish I could sit down with you in person to understand where you’re coming from, because you’re a smart guy.
A hijab (/hɪˈdʒɑːb, hɪˈdʒæb, ˈhɪdʒ.æb, hɛˈdʒɑːb/;[1][2][3][4]Arabic: حجاب, romanized: ḥijāb , pronounced [ħɪˈdʒaːb] in common English usage) is a religious veil worn by many Muslim women in the presence of any male outside of their immediate family, which usually covers the hair, head and chest. The term can refer to any hair, head, face, or body covering worn by Muslim women that conforms to Islamic standards of modesty. Another interpretation can also refer to the seclusion of women from men in the public sphere, whereas a metaphysical dimension, may refer to “the veil which separates man, or the world, from God”.[5]
The purpose of a hijab being modesty is actually the LESS repressive of the two reasons for wearing it.