The 2020 USA POTUS election politics, the civil war, and the world war (Part 1)

I agree completely. And anyone who wasnt completely self absorbed could see this result coming months ago with all the curt “just shut up, it’s all good” dismissal of concerns. If there was ever a time to be proactive and get ahead of things, it was this fall.

I dont know what can be done at this point, because now the ship has sailed on addressing concerns before any votes were cast. All that can happen is let the process play itself out, and let them exhaust all challenges. And stop berrating those who are still disputing the results - because that comes off as the bully telling you to just bend over and take it, and only reinforces the perception that there is something out there you dont want uncovered.

Not this fall. The whole past 4 years, and the 4 years before that… DHS has been monitoring over that time period and looking at security the whole time, and during the election itself. Trump’s DHS concluded it was the most secure election in US history. (Which is obviously the case, as the whole point is to incrementally improve and Russia is now such a large known threat, that was unprecedented before Putin. So DHS has been involved and all states have been improving processes. With much effort in recent years. )

Absentee ballots are also nothing new, states have been using them for decades, some for all voters. The security in them was much higher than its ever been before. Every ballot is tracked…
The main problem with Absentee ballots was the unexpected and unprecedented sabotage of the USPS in attempt to disenfranchise voters. But that sabotage would appear to disproportionately affect Democratic voters in the last election.

You make a good point about the need to have done this scrutiny of the voting system before the election, not after. I never heard of the Dominion machines before the election to be honest.

But I still see the need for it to happen now, maybe not for the benefit of this election but at least for the next. Either nothing is wrong and we can put this issue to bed. Or nothing is wrong but the system has vulnerabilities that need to be fixed before the next election in 2021. Or the system has vulnerabilities that were exploited at which point we’ll need to sort out the mess before moving on and fixing them. But clarity can only be beneficial for restoring faith in integrity of the election in my opinion.

What do you think all of the election officials, at federal, state, and local level do??? And the DHS? This is what they have been doing the whole time… scrutinizing the system and processes. That’s their primary function…

And it does happen now… at local, state, and federal level. If course they look over the prior election.

Of course “State’s rights” does leave some up to the elected state officials… Some don’t care about making the elections more secure and increasing turnouts in their states to more respectable levels.

That’s an entirely biased take. You were optimistic that he’d bow to your demands and start to do things your way. But he had a different opinion on what’s in the best interests of the country. And half the country (when rounded) does in fact agree with him.

That’s not the difference between being right and wrong, that’s the difference between a wide receiver being willing to block on run plays and a wide receiver insisting on running a deep route regardless of the play call. For four years you kept running deep, knowing that was the “right” play, then blame the play call when the runner keeps losing yards because they’re short a blocker.

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Like I said, the only thing we can do is let the challenges play out. Maybe they’ll still think that they just couldnt find the evidence, but at least they’ll feel like they had a fair shot at proving otherwise.

Then there was absolutely no reason to meddle with the rules for voting by mail, except to eliminate the need for a valid excuse (which some states required).

Except the USPS was demonstrably and without precedent a failure at transporting in a timely manner.
But even in the states that extended the ‘receive by’ date (none extended the ‘mail by’ date past Nov 3) due to the unforseen collapse of reliable mail service, none of them physically received enough ballots after election day to change the outcome in the presidential vote. So this is moot (in context of Presidential election).

This is a fallacy. There’s nothing inherently more respectable about higher turnout. The most important factor in an election isnt the volume of votes, it’s the casting of informed votes. Those who havent been voting in elections probably arent going to be casting the most informed votes anyways.

You have to be crazy to think that the tens of millions of additional votes cast this election were based on anything but blind hatred. Be it hatred of Trump, hatred of democrat agendas, hatred of whatever - most of them did not add any tangible value to the process besides effecting a win for one side.

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There are some states that have intentionally suppressed turnout when they think that is beneficial to their party. This can even be targeted to specific areas of the state.

Like Governor Abbot clearly did in TX when he signed a new executive order limiting staffed dropboxes to one per county regardless of population. That means 1 location for a county with 134 residents. And 1 location for a county with over 4.5 million residents.

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Can we just stop with this? The changes you’re so outraged over were planned by Obama’s Postmaster General, who conveniently retired prior to them being implimented.

You want a new conspiracy theory to chase…?

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Stop with facts? There was a demonstrable failure. The speed of the degradation was unprecedented. The delivery metrics are tracked and reported by the USPS. (Along with metrics on “lost metrics” they failed to accurately tally, which are also record highs…) The failure is a separate issue than the blame…

(Of course, Causal Analysis and Resolution does demand tracking the responsibility… but that’s a separate issue)

Sure. We’ll ignore the fact that the county of 134 residents is rural and likely republican, and one drop box means most of them are driving up to an hour to get to it. While in the democrat-dominated county with 4.5M, most live within walking distance (or at least a quick subway ride) of their box. The concept of surpression works both ways - sometimes a decision is simply a decision based on the fact something needed to be decided.

I did not know that DeJoy, who became Postmaster General on May 6, 2020, and introduced things like banning overtime and removing mail sorting machines, was Obama’s Postmaster General. :roll_eyes:

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“Not my Postmaster General”?
But he is currently the Postmaster General?

Aside: Postmaster General is actually not appointed directly by the president, and is supposed to be nonpartisan. However, the board of governors is appointed by the president. And the Senate confirms.

Reading comprehension is important.

What? You think 70 miles is walking distance across Harris County?(the one with the highest population) And you think we have subway systems (or any real public transportation at all) in Texas??? Or that using a mass transit system without a need to wouldn’t defeat the purpose of lowering unnecessary risks during a pandemic…

Nevermind the obvious low absolute limits to volume one location could handle…

A long list of assumptions bereft of facts. And even exactly opposite to the facts.
With the exception of the western corner and southern border (both with much larger areas – and both currently with leaning Democratic voters), Texas’ counties are all roughly the same geographical size. The counties aren’t much smaller where population density is higher. It’s also slower to drive through city traffic than low traffic roads.

Here you can see the counties by 2020 votes. Many of the rural counties are Much smaller areas than the city counties…

I have become rather concerned about Georgia. Schism has developed between Trump and upper Republican leadership there. This is not at all good for Georgia, but much more importantly it is very dangerous for the entirety of America.

Stacey Abrams meanwhile is working apace and sure handedly to bring about in January the same sort of catastrophe America faced in 2009, with all levers of power in Democrat hands. That calamity precipitated the Obamacare debacle. What they have in mind now is actually worse.

Trump and the Georgia Republicans had better get on the same page, and quickly. Time is short and the opposition is united, energized, and self-assured. This is for all the marbles and we simply cannot afford to lose.

President Trump is “taking it on the chin” in the latest Rasmussen polling. Yes, they continue to poll daily.

Right after the election his approval number held up very well at 52%, not in the least bad. That was then. This is now.

Today POTUS is down to 47%, a five point decline. I fear he could be running out of steam, not a good thing at all since his leadership will be needed to get Republicans to the polls in Georgia. The situation is quite worrying.

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