The 2020 USA POTUS election politics, the civil war, and the world war (Part 1)

He was talking in terms of all eligible voters. Just keeping it apples to apples.

I was simply adding the 6M google says he is leading by, to your stated 70M Trump votes. I know you’d love to artificially inflate it to a 10M margin of victory, but that’s simply not accurate.

And it’s pretty presumptuous to claim that non-voters have given an indication of how they feel about anything.

“Our top priority is making Obama a one term President,” Senator McConnell

/ Republicans tossed out that bipartisan thing a long time ago. They demanded bipartisanship from Democrats, and gave none themselves. It goes back to Reagan and the idea that Rs should all stick together no matter what.

Actually as far as the relief bill is concerned, both sides make valid arguments that I consider within the realm of reasonable, at least some of them. The risks of long term inflation due to overspending frivolously do not sound unreasonable to me at all.

And I can see plenty of room for disagreement for sensible proposals. There are some questions without easy answers. Mitt Romney made a good point (IMO) in his interview with Axelrod recently. Some states are enduring the economic downturn due to the pandemic relatively well because they had a rainy day fund. And they are asking their elected officials not to accept blindly to bail out states like Illinois that are nearly bankrupt and thus have little room but to ask for a handout to withstand the pandemic. Agree or disagree, this is not a batshit crazy argument for not wanting to sign a blank check that future generations will be on the hook for.

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There’s room for some, I didn’t claim there wasn’t.
But half of the topline number without regard to where the funds are instead diverted and what other conditions are attached is not automatically a compromise. The details matter. There were endless “interviews” asking solely about a fictitious top-line number offer (fictitious because there was nothing even concrete “offered”, it was all theoretical), and why not just take that “portion” for now. Relevant is what would have been actually in the details… which there never were any concrete details provided by the disingenuous party. Just like there has been no proposed healthcare plan to replace the ACA, despite endless repetitive promises of impending details of a complete plan…

Is this what you were referring to?

Paraphrased:

Trump: “I’m not blocking anything! Murphy at the GSA is completely independent, I’m not telling her not to release the transition funds! I won!”

Murphy letter: “There’s no legally defined process, and I didn’t know what I was doing. I looked at precedent from the delayed Bush transition [of course the 9/11 commission said the delay damaged national security… but I disregarded it! YOLO! Why not have another 9/11?]. After recent lawsuits in bad faith that have been thrown out of the courts, I have determined that funds and resources can now be released to you.”

Trump’s handlers on twitter immediately after: “I told Emily to go forward, because it’s unfair she’s being ‘abused’! I hereby claim any ‘credit’ for starting the transition process!” [What I previously claimed I had no input on whatsoever, and her letter also indicated was all her own decision.]

Full GSA letter:https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1331011299707408385?s=19

Tweet that the @realMafiaDon most certainly did NOT write. The handler ‘made an attempt’ by throwing in the random capitalized STRONGLY in a word-soup sentence that might have actually come from Trump, but the rest was all clearly not written by Trump: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1331013907859845121

“I want to thank Emily Murphy at GSA for her steadfast dedication and loyalty to our Country. She has been harassed, threatened, and abused – and I do not want to see this happen to her, her family, or employees of GSA. Our case STRONGLY continues, we will keep up the good… …fight, and I believe we will prevail! Nevertheless, in the best interest of our Country, I am recommending that Emily and her team do what needs to be done with regard to initial protocols, and have told my team to do the same.”

Your crazy is too crazy even for the crazy!

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Come on. I thought it was a game. You weren’t supposed to note the absence of any new mention of Powell from the multiple qanon pushers in this thread who previously trumpeted her…

Good car, bad car??

I have a good car! 1987 Porsche 911 Carera. Bright red & still gets Oooss on the road.

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Oooh… If your decade old lexus had only 40K miles, how low is the mileage on this baby?

“The 2020 USA POTUS election politics, the civil war

Election Night was weeks ago. So far Meal Team 6’s boldest act is retreating to a new online safe space.

It hurts but I must concede that Powell, at this point at least, appears to have let us down. Even Trump has jettisoned her.

Being aware of the vulnerabilities of voting machines, acknowledged even by Democrats, and PROVING such vulnerabilities were actually exploited to change an election outcome are two different things entirely.

Of interest to me has been the recently revealed Kemp buy-in. Kemp is a Republican. But you could sense the friction between his administration and the White House. Why?

The following items are lifted from an article dated July 29, 2019, long before any of the current controversy:

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger announced Monday that his office is awarding a $107 million contract to election-technology vendor Dominion Voting Systems to replace the state’s voting machines ahead of the 2020 presidential election with new equipment that produces paper records of ballots.

Still, worries persist about Georgia’s new voting technology. Lee, the Georgia Tech professor, wrote in January that machine-marked ballots are not reliable because of the potential for machine errors and that most individual voters will not take the time to manually verify that the printed ballot matches their choices.

So you can see the entire Dominion issue has been a sore spot in Georgia since before the current controversy. And Kemp has a vested interest in proclaiming “no fraud” perhaps equal even to that of the Georgia Democrats, so much money having been spent on his watch for the new voting machines.

It is into the above circumstance that Powell injected herself, at least in Georgia, taking on there the entire establishment including those on both sides of the political aisle. To have done so absent solid evidence of fraud was at best very ill advised.

Other states? Well, certainly the Dominion machines were used in other battleground states. I don’t have the back stories in those other venues. But surely officials who spent fortunes of the public’s money do not welcome allegations of fraud facilitated by their purchase decisions, and will vigorously fight any such representations. So, again, anyone making such allegations had better have solid proof.

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This doesnt really pertain to the current issues, but isnt this whole process…backwards?

What is the benefit of having computerized voting, that then produces a paper backup? Shouldnt it be a paper ballot, that is then fed into a computer to tally? If the point is to protect against errors (be it intentional or just a malfunction), doesnt the current procedure compromise both the voting and the paper backup documents should an error occur? If you dont trust the computer tally, why in the world would you trust paper documentation produced by that same computer tally? That just seems dumb.

I quoted that part because only if the paper does not match a voter’s choice could fraud be possible. But of course, as the professor pointed out, if each voter does not take the time to check the paper trail then fraud can ensue. Also, you have to ask whether or not the paper trail created is readily understandable by the voter . . . or is it in some sort of coded or abbreviated form which a voter would have trouble deciphering. I do not have those answers.

Bottom line, though, the challenge was on Powell, and on her having worked through all this stuff and all the detail and come out with some sort of proof of malfeasance. And so far, she appears not to have done that.

So that’s there’s a paper trail, and none of these absurd conspiracy theories need any effort to dismiss…

Meanwhile:

Mafia Don wants to “take credit” if the qanon senate candidates lose. He’s just covering all bases either way lol.

Let’s see… Hugo Chavez, who died almost a decade ago from cancer contracted during the Obama administration, deliberately helped the democrats -and Obama’s vicepresident- win the election. Yes, that’s the degree of crazy even Trump would eventually disavow.

That most likely is true. But not better than Biden’s 1967 'Vette. Not better than a 1967 Jaguar XKE. Not better than a 1967 Shelby Cobra. And not better than any number of other 1967 high performance automobiles.

I have to tell you that in 1967 I never paid a lot of attention to average American “production cars”. :wink:

Get off that foolishness. You are purposefully misstating and mischaracterizing the Chavez connection. And you know it.

It is entirely plausible that Chavez, and other such ruthless dictators as well, might have brought about voting apparatus with “back doors” allowing them to cheat and to rig elections. In other words, such technology exists today because of requests for its development over the years from such malign persons.

Effort to tie the above generality, and that’s all it is, to today’s specifics is silly. And silly is exactly how your post sounds.

Did you intentionally ignore the rest?

The only way to use a paper trail to verify the computer results is for that paper trail to be produced before the computer does it’s thing.

As it is now, this paper trail is merely parroting whatever the computer is claiming to be accurate. It’s only purpose is to protect against hardware failure, where you are unable to get the results off the computer.

Not at all. You remember nothing of Chad hanging? Use created ballots in non standardized format with sharpie or pen and paper or scratches into a cave wall is the worst possible artifacts that could be produced instead.

Voter reviews the printout, which can later be manually reviewed and audited… No Absurd debate about hanging Chad or partial or multiple scantron bubbles filled in.