So you are officially okay with a re-deal. Thank goodness. After your description of acceptable dates for abortions, I was beginning to think you’re a monster.
You know why I think the way I do (or don’t) because I’m quoting The Big Lebowski?
I thought it was because you were stoned, or drank way too many White Russians … not bring up race or anything.
I’m not sure if you’re interpreting what I wrote in the way I intended. I intended to say that even though the mother terminating a pregnancy without the father’s consent is unfair to the father, that’s just too bad because the father isn’t the one who’s pregnant (because nature).
I was interpreting the part about men and women being equal. Are you saying they aren’t?
Will respond to your response later … off to walk the dogs.
The two least arbitrary times to recognize the personhood of the unborn baby are the moment it is created and the moment it leaves the mother’s body. Next to that are stages of development that can be objectively measured (size of the fetus, heartbeat detection, etc.), and on the most arbitrary side of the spectrum, you have dates (i.e. weeks post conception) that may or may not coincide with development stages due to how development varies from person to person. I understand why a legal framework is most easily setup using the most arbitrary means since political disagreements usually cause us to “split the baby” (no pun intended) somewhere and you need something that is most easily measured, but you just punted on the topic of how the ERA would change things because you’re “not a lawyer.” Since you’re also not a politician, you don’t have to limit yourself to arbitrary dates and can actually express in terms of human fetal development when you think a fetus earns its rights. Yet you still choose to use the most arbitrary means. That’s fine. I’m just pointing it out.
Careful. You’re pointing out an inequality between males and females. In the world you wish to live in (legally and politically), those don’t exist. Pregnancy doesn’t impart any specific rights because males and females should have the exact same rights, remember? I don’t understand how you can keep making this mistake.
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I agree that the moment it leaves the mother’s body is least arbitrary. But I disagree that the moment of conception is least arbitrary. It is just as arbitrary as the moments of penetration or ejaculation. They all lead into each other, and they are all entirely non-deterministic, meaning there’s no guarantee that any of them will result in a successful reproduction.
While stages of development can be objectively measured, they are still non-deterministic at the early stages – the development is entirely dependent on the mother. If the mother uploads, so will the fetus.
My dates / weeks are approximate, they’re not based on just a count, but rather on the statistical likelihood of survival outside the womb. I do not think they’re arbitrary. At least no more arbitrary than the stages of development.
I didn’t know anything about the ERA until it was mentioned just above and I was “forced” to take a look. I am myself not yet sure if that’s the world I wish to live in legally and politically, so why do you assume that I do?
Abortion pill to remain legal per Supreme Court unanimous ruling on efforts to restrict it.
The plaintiffs failed to show they had suffered any injury, meaning that “the federal courts are the wrong forum for addressing the plaintiffs’ concerns about FDA’s actions,” he added.
Biden promised to continuing campaigning on the abortion issue despite this… setback.
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Abortion is one of the few issues where the Democrats have some traction. It is interesting that both the NY times and WaPo headlines state the court “maintained broad access to pill”.
This will not stop Biden and the rest of the Democrats from lying about it, but it does give the Republicans talking points to respond. I am pro life, but polling is that a 15 week limit is accepted by a large fraction of voters. .
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