Climate Change - Concealment of the actual threat

Since you didn’t click the link, it’s in the subheading:

Did click through but missed it in headline. Rest of the article is behind paywall. What are the methods and possible unintended consequences mentioned?

LOL, I clicked it just to read the beginning. Ask your friendly neighborhood chat bot to summarize it for you. archive.is is a paywall workaround in case you need one.

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Their solution is to create smog?

and destroy the ocean ecosystem?

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It will be interesting to see the reaction of the Enviro wackos to dumping the sodium hydroxide into the ocean. They were able to kill a water desalination project here in California because they claim the higher salt concentration output harms the oceans.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/california-regulator-rejects-plan-desalination-plant-2022-05-13/

California regulator rejects desalination plant despite historic drought

The California Coastal Commission voted 11-0 to reject the proposal by Poseidon Water, controlled by the infrastructure arm of Canada’s Brookfield Asset Management (BAMa.TO), opens new tab, to build the plant on a low-lying coastal site at Huntington Beach, near the town of Costa Mesa, about 30 miles (50 km) south of Los Angeles.

The commission’s staff experts said the facility would destroy marine life in about 100 billion gallons of seawater per year, and the company’s ability to mitigate that damage with wildlife habitat restoration fell far short of state requirements.

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BlackRock and State Street, which both manage trillions of dollars in assets, said the alliance’s climate initiatives had gone too far, expressing concern about potential legal issues as well.

The stunning announcements come as the largest financial institutions in the U.S. and worldwide face an onslaught of pressure from consumer advocates and Republican states over their environmental, social and governance (ESG) priorities.

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For your purposes I might as well be one of those wackos – and I don’t know. My initial reaction was “bad idea”, but that’s only because I have no clue how the chemistry works. Humans use sodium hydroxide in a bunch of things, including soap and treatment of drinking water, and I just learned that it can be produced from the waste brine of a desalination plant (I bet those “wackos” would approve a desalination plant that doesn’t pollute the ocean). Maybe the reaction isn’t what every non-chemist thinks it is. Maybe it only affects the surface and only briefly, so it won’t have much or any effect on the marine life.

How can I tell if the ocean is being “polluted”? It seems that to wackos any change to the ocean is pollution. Obviously, there has to be some change since we are pulling water from the ocean. What if the “waste brine” is stored on land? Do you as a wacko think that’s a good idea?

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Increased salinity is probably not good for the ocean.

Not really – all of it will end up back in the ocean. Though I do wonder if it could be mixed in with treated fresh water that gets dumped into the ocean to maintain normal salinity…

I’d guess that storing it on land is not viable. If it could be made more useful, like into edible salt or sodium hydroxide, then it should just be sold and used.

temp for this last winter vs those a few decades back. warmer for sure (top) and wetter most places (bottom)

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/11/weather-winter-record-warmth

The WaPo on the end of Chevron deference. They are not pleased

https://archive.is/CLB7t

What the Supreme Court Chevron decision means for environmental rules

The decision could make it easier for courts to block ambitious climate and wildlife regulations.

Will this affect efforts to combat climate change?

Probably.

That’s according to David Doniger, senior strategic director of the climate and clean energy program at the Natural Resources Defense Council, who argued the Chevron case. Doniger said the ruling released Friday could prevent agencies from using older environmental laws to tackle newer environmental problems — such as climate change — as they arise.

/“The real goal of the interest groups on the right that are backing this litigation is to enfeeble the federal government’s ability to deal with the problems that the modern world throws at us,” Doniger said. “We could end up with a weaker federal government, and that would mean that interest groups would be freer to pollute without restraint.”

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Climate geoengineering via aerosols would involve injecting SO2 [into the upper atmosphere]… In other words, buy some short-term cooling… The few estimates that exist indicate that in some ways this approach could be amazingly – scarily? – effective. Pumping into the stratosphere something like 10% of the SO2 released by humanity (at that time into the troposphere) in the 1980s would offset all anthropogenic global warming. That would cost maybe 20 billion dollars a year. That’s chump change.

And here’s the politics of the alarmists showing their true colors

However, I am perplexed that many people falling more on the side of climate alarmism have so far denigrated and dismissed the idea of direct intervention. In many cases, the idea of even doing the research is shot down and a blanket ban has been discussed…

Indeed, many climate activists would be open about why: we can’t just solve the problem. We need to bring down capitalism and install Marxism instead! So, for now, we march on with the most alarmist people rejecting utterly the most sane solution to such an ‘emergency’. It will be important over the coming years to explain to people just how deeply disingenuous Marxists are. They paint themselves in the colours of a cause whilst denigrating the people who actually know something about it and/or propose actual solutions that don’t require Marxism. These people threaten science, the climate, and western civilisation all at once.

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Good.

Five environmental activists who organised protests that brought part of the M25 to a standstill over four days have been jailed. . . .

Judge Christopher Hehir said Roger Hallam, 58, Daniel Shaw, 38, Louise Lancaster, 58, Lucia Whittaker De Abreu, 35, and Cressida Gethin, 22, had “crossed the line from concerned campaigner to fanatic”.

At Southwark Crown Court, Hallam was sentenced to five years’ imprisonment while the other defendants each received four-year jail terms.

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But not as good as Greek law that says idiots who sit on roadways are responsible for front-end damage to cars that hit them. :slight_smile:

I don’t understand why it’s only front end damage. :slight_smile:

Climate-emergency-caused Hurricanes failed to show up so far this year, running way below forecasts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/what-happened-to-predictions-of-a-historic-hurricane-season/ar-AA1qc5sq

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The shakedown of the wealthy countries is not going well. They seem to be developing a backbone since President Trump was elected.

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Compromise reached after the deadline.

I might add, it isn’t just Trump’s election or the economic woes in Germany or… It’s pretty clear that developing countries are aggravating the climate problems themselves:

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I hope DJT backs out, stiffs them like does his contractors.

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You are conflating carbon dioxide with smoke, carbon monoxide and other real pollutants. Carbon dioxide is a naturally occurring trace gas that is necessary for the existence of plants. Without it life on earth cannot exist.

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But countries like India, China, Indonesia, Brazil, etc are using a lot of hydrocarbon fuel to lift their citizens from poverty.

As you mention, who is going to put the bell on the cat and pay the $300 billion? In addition to Germany, the UK is in bad economic condition. AFAIK China will not be paying a yuan. Neither will India.

The contribution of the US under Chris Wright and Doug Burgum will be to produce large amounts of oil and natural gas to reduce their price on the world market.

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