In what will surprise no one, China covered up and delayed reporting material information about the pandemic. Now from the WHOs own internal documents.
China withheld key information about the coronavirus for weeks after it first emerged in January, delaying the international response to the outbreak, a new investigation has revealed.
Chinese officials failed to share the genetic map, or genome, of the virus for over a week after first decoding it and failed to reveal that the virus could be transmitted between humans for a further two weeks, according to internal World Health Organization documents and testimony obtained by the Associated Press.
the big WHO HCQ trials, halted on the Lancet article, have been resumed as of today now that the WHO has decided the article results are untrustworthy.
I think you can say with good confidence that a typical relatively healthy non-elderly person would not benefit from HCQ after a possible covid exposure. it was a post-exposure pre-disease treatment, rather than “preventative” one (where you’d be taking it already before you get exposed at all, which might be more promising). The average person started an HCQ five day course around 3 days after reported high risk exposure to a sick person.
In a relatively healthy group of 800 odd high risk people, most 30-50 in age with few health issues and majority being health workers, the disease just wasn’t that bad. They saw around 100 get sick (probably, little testing but consistent symptoms), only 0.5% / 4 people hospitalized and no one died. No serious side effects from HCQ, but nausea and related gastrointestinal issues were fairly common (both as expected). Placebos caused similar side effects in 1/6 of people…
“Although PCR or serologic testing for asymptomatic infection would have added to the scientific strength of this trial, this was not possible, and we cannot assess an effect on mild or asymptomatic infections… Because of the lack of availability of diagnostic testing in the United States, the vast majority of the participants, including health care workers, were unable to access testing.
This randomized trial did not demonstrate a significant benefit of hydroxychloroquine as postexposure prophylaxis for Covid-19. Whether preexposure prophylaxis would be effective in high-risk populations is a separate question, with trials ongoing.”
[the authors] have concluded that they “can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources.” The Lancet takes issues of scientific integrity extremely seriously, and there are many outstanding questions about Surgisphere and the data that were allegedly included in this study.
Either that or that’s just how science works. That’s why there’s more than one study and peer review of studies.
It’s odd to see the study authors continuing to research and later questioning their data sources when they see a previously unknown problem as a “bad thing.”
Still no study at all confirming any benefit. Unless someone is implying there were top secret studies showing so and it is in the public interest not to let anyone know.
Look, at this point I doubt we ever will learn whether or not HCQS is an effective therapy for coronavirus infection. Certainly we will not find out prior to the election; that much could not be more patent.
Afterward, I dunno. Even should Trump be removed from the equation, there still remains the issue of $$$$ for important persons seeking to benefit from focus on other, far more expensive, therapies.
I just wish Trump had never opened his yap about HCQS. But in Trump world, that is simply too big an ask.
Why would you think this?
You think everyone with a brain must be part of the "deep state’ or what? Anyone not part of the deep state would thus be incapable of showing efficacy. Thus, “I guess we’ll never know!” because no “experts” can ever be trusted. Does society need to move away from specialization and back to the hunter- gatherer days to dispel the conspiracy theories?
Because Trump politicized this approach to therapy. Trump politicizes by definition anything he touches or addresses. Oppostiion to him is absolutely RABID!!
This is my Vidalia onion data point. Having all but run out of Vidalias purchased last March, a huge stockpile, I ended up deciding to avoid the supermarkets in this pandemic and buy more directly out of Georgia. This was my first experience with direct, online, purchase and I had no clue what to anticipate. Bought my onions here:
It sounded OK but you never know how this stuff will turn out until you try. So I tried. UPS delivered the box of onions this afternoon.
All nineteen onions look great! They shipped an extra pound of onions, eleven pounds instead of the ten pounds I ordered and paid for. Am so pleased to have a supply of these things once again. Try to eat four or five onions a week. Also need 'em to make my home made spaghetti sauce. Tried Prego. OMG, they put sugar in it . . . and salt!!! Ugly stuff.
Anyway am happy camper with these Vidalias and will order again when these are close to running out. Garlic?
Am getting close to the end on garlic. The Gilroy (CA) crop will not be in for another (roughly) ten days. Plan to hold off and stretch what I have until then. Want American garlic from Gilroy, not “brand X”, and most assuredly not anything from communist China.
So this is pandemic life. You do the best you can. What else can you do?
I use a lot of onions for cooking. Out here we have onion growers that sit up their stand along the road. In the summer I buy & store them in the refer. But those Gilroy garlic’s are best in the west. You can smell them for miles before you get to Gilroy.
I know the Vidalia onion is great tasting. I haven’t seen any sellers out & about. I’m going to give it a try, to order those online. How long does it take for them to arrive by UPS?
I live in the east so it took only two days. But according to their chart it can take five days for the onions, shipped from Georgia, to reach all the way out to California.
Shipping was a big unknown for me in terms of worry about damage. It ended up working out great, and the onions arrived very fresh. But all those extra days in transit . . . I dunno how that would work out.
Course if your grocery stores do not have the Vidalias, then there is scant little choice. Thing is, grocery store onions likely are shipped in refrigerated trailers. With UPS there is no refrigeration. When my onions arrived they were ever so slightly warm to the touch; nothing worrisome and I moved them quickly to cooler circumstances and spread them out as is the proper way to store and preserve them.
But five days . . I just dunno.
I think best in the world would be closer to the mark!
I use both the onions and garlic when making spaghetti sauce and also home made soup. Have been harvesting asparagus from the garden for a couple of weeks now. It sure does make for some great soup! Am also still eating the apples I harvested from my trees last November cut up each morning in my breakfast cereal. It’s all the sort of hearty food you need to make it through a pandemic.
Not true, there’s been a few positive things (which I have brought up and also commented on as others brought up), but mostly this year has been nuts.
Wanting there to be more surprisingly positive events does not make them just appear. That takes action. Which is often lacking or actively undercut.
The second link wasn’t even negative or “not a fine word”. It’s just facts, which are neutral… and weren’t even hidden in the report. Trying to spin everything is unbelievable.
The Wapo article headline is a bit off IMHO. THe error in question also made the April % lower than it was as well and it wasn’t just May. The wording of that headline lets people think it was just May.
The actual Wapo article says:
“The special note said that if this “misclassification error” had not occurred, the “overall unemployment rate would have been about 3 percentage points higher than reported,” meaning the unemployment rate would be about 16.3 percent for May. But that would still be an improvement from an unemployment rate of about 19.7 percent for April, applying the same standards.”
So official reports were 14.7% for April and 13.3% for May
However the real numbers should have been 19.7% for May and 16.3% for April.
One could read the Wapo headline as reported and think that the % didn’t really go down and the 14.7% in April was valid while the 13.3% was under reported.
"According to the CDC, 4% of those surveyed, 20 people, admitted they’d drunk or gargled household agents including bleach. A staggering 18% of participants confessed they’d applied cleaning agents to their skin. "
The 4% isn’t surprising honestly.
The 18% who used cleaning agents on their skin is likely mostly people trying to find alternatives to unavailable hand sanitizer and thinking bleach or something else would work.
Such as hand sanitizer solution from bleach which the CDC actually has a guide on :
The surface disinfecting wipes also require glove use in the instructions. If you wash your hands off right after or only use them once or twice you won’t see ill affects but your skin will chemically burn with a few uses.
Non covid related I may have used some to clean in my refrigerator (along with water, soap, etc, not just the wipes) and may have had two small burn patches on the back of my hands that may have taken a few months to heal to “normal”. But it may have been the dish detergent though instead or as well.
I can only guess some people may have also used a few of those wipes (as there was such a shortage of options) thinking it would be like the purell wipes.
Great point, I didn’t think about someone possibly extending month to month without reading details. Then again it seems like someone paying attention to month-over- month would hopefully be likely to look for and pay attention to the details – like you did.
My generally high optimistic assumptions have bitten me many times.
