Does the coronavirus merit investment, or personal, concern or consideration?

Curiously, it also never states that the two stylists tested positive, just that they were “symptomatic”.

The other people were quarantined for 14 days and exited quarantine w/o symptoms.

But yes maybe some of them had covid but were asympmtotamatidsc [I’m giving up on trying to spell that right]

That was stated explicitly in previous news coverage about the case.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/24/us/missouri-hairstylists-coronavirus-clients-trnd/index.html

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Thanks. I kind of assumed it was supposed to be implied, but you never know.

" The Government Accountability Office, a nonpartisan congressional watchdog, told Politico that the Small Business Administration was withholding data on the loan recipients that the agency requested as part of its oversight efforts."

“The decision breaks with standard protocol since the Small Business Administration (SBA) typically discloses the companies that borrowed through the program on which the PPP is based”

When noisemakers tend to ignore the qualifications, and just judge recipients based if they feel the company should’ve gotten money, it’s understandable that they withhold the names. See what happened with certain restaurants chains, when the legislation was specifically written to make them eligible.

Now, they should be able to provide the info to the GAO and it remain confidential; if they can’t, that’s a symptom of another issue entirely.

Which businesses our government gives our tax dollars to should not be confidential information.

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Internet salad - seeking your ideas

Summer is very nearly upon is, scarcely a week away officially. At this time of year salad main courses proliferate. But it is tough this year with the pandemic. My customary ingredients, lettuce, carrot, radish, celery, etc. are difficult to procure from WalMart.com or Target.com for home delivery.

I’ve come up with a couple of items. Sliced beets, cut up, are good in salads. And I had several cans of garbanzo beans come in yesterday. They might work out.

But I’m searching for other readily orderable salad ingredients. Have you any ideas for internet salad components?

Salad dressing, by the way, is easily ordered online, so that is no problem whatsoever.

I haven’t ordered perishable food online, so my suggestions may not be helpful much. We use the clamshell packaged spring mix or baby spinach. Of course, that’s just greens. Some of the iceberg/romaine bagged salad mixes do have a smidgen of carrots and red cabbage in them. Some of the more gourmet bagged mixes have more than that, but they’re smaller. Are you able to order fruit and cheese? Sometimes a nice quick salad of greens with small cut apples pieces or strawberries, shredded or small cut cheese, and walnuts really hits the spot.

You could go another way. Search out recipes for “salads” without greens. For example, one recipe I have uses corn and canned red kidney beans with some herbs, spices, and white wine vinegar. No greens at all.

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You could bite the bullet and use Walmart grocery pickup. I dont think there’s any more risk of exposure than from having it delivered to your house, you still wouldnt have to leave your car. Or even have a neighbor make the run for you, when they’re going anyways, and offer to pay the gas. Your risk tolerance is personal, no one should say you’re being unreasonable or extreme. But you do have options, they’re just more involved than a quick couple of clicks on the internet.

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My ordering options are more limited because I live in rural circumstances. I can order nothing which requires refrigeration. Have no access, for example, to shredded mozzarella . . something I always add to salads . . or to ham or turkey cold cuts, ditto. Still:

Listening to that forty-two year old doctor on Meet the Press this morning only re-confirmed my thinking that coronavirus is a malady I do NOT want to contract. That poor guy, who is far, far less at risk than myself, was deathly ill for many days, hospitalized, and barely survived. I simply cannot, at my age, run such a risk.

Yes, of course I already was aware of that. But hoping others might have orderable options to suggest which I have overlooked. In general:

Canned (or other non-refrigerated) foodstuffs are inferior to fresh or frozen. However, there are exceptions. Canned beets, already mentioned above, are excellent and in many ways preferable to fresh. They are good and healthful in salads. Another canned foodstuff, pumpkin, while technically a fruit, can often substitute effectively at meal time for a vegetable. I’m already eating pumpkin, though not of course in salads.

It appears as if my garbanzo beans will work out well. I’ve not tried them as yet. Some cooks recommend roasting them in a bit of olive oil. That sounds to me like a good idea.

My favorite any time of the year is canned TUNA, I like albacore. Makes a great salad, I boil a couple eggs, pickle relish, cream horseradish. lots of mayo. Mix well & pile over lettuce or even makes a great sandwich.

In winter I use the same tuna in a gravy over toast. Along with a salad & dinner is ready shortly. :relaxed:

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This may may not work depending on how rural you really are:

What about the dinner ‘kit’ companies? Hellofresh, Blue Apron, etc ? They use fedex/UPS style freight delivery in a cold box.
Overpriced for sure but maybe you can find something from one of those companies that would meet your needs?
Specifically for veges there is : https://www.imperfectfoods.com/

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Don’t know if you like sprouts? At least I like sprouts in my salads and have been able to do the sprouting at home. Seeds of different varieties and sprouting canisters readily available from Amazon.

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My sister roasts them in the air fryer, or in the convection oven if doing a lot. Kids eat them like peanuts or similar type of snack, and on salads. She may salt them a bit, I’m not sure.

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Tuna is, of course, a good and helpful approach to getting through these days of pandemic. I have gone that route one time since March because of a desire to limit my mercury consumption.

Exactly. Which brings us full circle back to internet salad, with or without tuna.

For me, tuna salad includes carrot and radish, both shredded, and celery cut up fine. Continue to search for substitutes for such items as those. The tuna, of course, is easy . . . even in a pandemic! :wink:

Found a surprising source for oranges this afternoon:

Staples

Yes, the same Staples store we all know and love. Except Staples will ship the oranges to your home! They regard oranges as break room food.

I found the oranges by accident while searching for ingredients for my internet salad. That did not go well. It is amazing that you can easily buy carrots, radishes, and all the rest for home delivery if you are in Australia, Africa, or in Europe . . .

but not so much here in the USA. Oh, well.

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There has not been a study with evidence of benefits so after the WHO and many others ended trials (ended trials and results), I think it made sense for FDA to limit uncontrolled use of a substance that has no proven benefit for COVID-19 and that other patients may need. We’ll see if it emerges eventually that prophylactic use could be a benefit but certainly nothing shows for treatment of current patients.

My wife and I just got back from a 1.5 week vacation in Southern Utah visiting the national parks there. We did 30 miles of hiking over about 5 days and had a blast. It takes 2 days to drive down there, and 2 days to drive back, so we made some pit stops along the way as well. We are from the Seattle area. Given that most of you are not traveling, I thought I would share some insights into the “outside world”:

  • We drove on this trip, and stopped in Twin Falls, ID overnight. On the scale of restrictions, Idaho is somewhere between Washington and Utah - not completely shut down, but not business as usual, either. The hotel had its pool and fitness center closed. Restaurants had single-use paper menus. Servers all wore masks and gloves. Tables were spaced at least 6 feet apart. This felt like a reasonable set of precautions.

  • Springdale, UT (outside of Zion National Park) was just short of business as usual. Some restaurants spaced diners, others did not. Plastic/permanent menus were used. The hotel had the pool and fitness center open and there wasn’t any disinfecting of chairs after patrons left. The national park shuttle was shut down (which was super annoying as parking is extremely limited inside the park). Most tourists were not wearing masks and not observing distance.

  • Torrey, UT (outside Capitol Reef National Park) is in the middle of nowhere. About half the restaurants were shut down due to lack of business, the other half were open with limited menus. Of all the places we stayed, I enjoyed this area the most. There were far fewer people, the hotel was great, the park had some terrific hikes… it was great. You didn’t need to wear a mask here because you’re never really in an enclosed space with anyone. This county has had 0 confirmed cases so far. This feels like the kind of place that Shinobi would live in :wink: .

  • Moab, UT was very interesting. This was, far and away, the most crowded of the three towns we stayed in. It also veered far more left than I was expecting for an old uranium mining town in the middle of the Rockies. Many more people (both tourists and locals) wearing masks, gloves, etc. This was the only town that had shops with signs at the entrances requiring masks. Arches was very crowded (and hot!). Canyonlands wasn’t so crowded. Despite the widespread use of masks, restaurants still used permanent menus and generally didn’t make sanitizer available, you had to bring your own.

We took our temperature every morning as a precaution (and we never exceeded 98.3). I can’t explain how nice it was to experience some freedom on this trip. I didn’t think I was experiencing any negative psychological impact from the lockdowns… but just going out to eat that first night, something we hadn’t done in 3 months, was amazing. I suspect these types of road trips will be very popular this summer.

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