The virus cannot be contained if it is not tracked.
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We’re past the point of containment. I think we just have to let this run its course and work on a vaccine. Hopefully the warmer weather brings about some improvements as well.
I think the obsession with testing is kind of odd. There’s no specific treatment for this virus that’s different than the cold or flu. Knowing that I have it buys me nothing other than ending up on some list of people that are known to be carriers - besides, everyone here has already been told to act like we have it. They’ve closed restaurants, bars, churches, etc. If I have cold or flu-like symptoms, I’m assuming I have it - I don’t need a test to tell me that. If I don’t have symptoms, I’m still trying to minimize contact and mostly stay at home.
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It allows for effective containment, and more importantly, it allow tracking and alerts to people who had contacts with the person. This has been PROVEN to work in countries who have effective testing program.
There is still a lot of disagreement on how to best handle this. I mean, just look at Governor Stitt:
"“So under vaccines, I believe in choice,” Stitt said. “And we’ve got six children, and we don’t vaccinate, we don’t do vaccinations on all of our children. So we definitely pick and choose which ones we do. It’s got to be up to the parents. We can never mandate that. I think there’s legislation that would mandate that to go to public schools – that’s absolutely wrong. My wife was homeschooled, I went to public schools, our kids go to a Christian school. And that’s back to a parent’s choice.”
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I think you vastly under- understand how high the death count is just “letting this run its course”. You’re right we can’t stop infections completely. That doesn’t mean there damage can’t be blunted.
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“We’re past the point of containment. I think we just have to let this run its course and work on a vaccine. Hopefully the warmer weather brings about some improvements as well.”
Sorry to disappoint you but look at the weather they have in Metro Manila (HOT). Manila, Philippines 10-Day Weather Forecast - The Weather Channel | Weather.com
And yes, they do have cases of CoronaVirus. In fact, they have a lockdown.
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Stock market dive! Dive! DIVE!!
Looks like Sams Club is hoarding toilet paper… Nothing is available for ordering online, although half the options are not listed as “out of stock”. Reps specifically stated they are in stock but not available. WTF?
(No, I’m not a TP panicker. There’s an instant savings option that expires next week, and I’d be buying a case in the normal course of life regardless.)
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They are probably setting quantify limit and disable buying online to achieve the same result. I still see TP at my local stores.
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This takes the meme of “First world problems” to a whole new level.
I find it disturbing that people with no epidemiological or medical knowledge make blanket statements based on their personal feelings.
The reason for testing is to a) know what you have and b) quarantine people with the virus and c) It is the only way to track the virus.
I make statements based on fact. Are you seriously suggesting no one should know who has coronavirus or not? How about doctors and hospitals? So you don’t care if you might be in a hot zone or people you associate with have this virus?
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There’s people convinced this is a less-than-flu-nothingburger-Democrat-hoax that’s only trumped up by libral media to hurt their uncle Donny. And they’re ignoring even the most basic social distancing and hygiene practices trying to kill as many people as possible.
Daily polls show self identified Republicans self identifying that they don’t take it (or the goverment guidance on distancing) serious at all, by a 2-1 factor.
But why should they believe otherwise? It’s what the president says. And the tv’s off by the time the boring nerds on the government task force start talking. I guess despite them being introduced as the “best people”, even they don’t know anything… The donny says it’s all under control, and to be happy about great things to come. Ignore what the nerdy science guys say.
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Is this not a blanket statement based on your personal feelings?
I think all he’s saying is that testing is rather meaningless beyond being able to say “Yay I’m clean” or “Oh no, I’m infected”. As he said, we’re constantly being told to act as if we have it, and as if others around us have it. And you dont get any medicine or treatment for having it. So what’s the difference of knowing for sure? Especially since if you test negative, you could still be infected minutes later, even before the test results are received; after all, the test is only valid for the moment the swab was taken. I’d hypothesize that at this point, slews of negative tests would be counterproductive, giving people false confidence in supposedly being “clean”. From the way some people talk about testing, you’d think that a negative test grants you some kind of immunity to the virus.
From a disease management standpoint, of course there are benefits. It’s at the individual level that the obsession with being tested gets…odd.
Now based on my experiences here and other places, I assume you’ll quote me in your response, but chop off everything beyond the first sentence. And then address my ignorant “testing is meaningless” comment, instead of responding to the actual point being made. Meh, so be it.
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No, it’s based on actual knowledge of how things work.
Most of the people posting here have no knowledge of medicine or epidemiology.
If a single person becomes ill or dies because of the misinformation posted here. then you are doing harm.
In case you are wondering, I wrote a book on Preventive Medicine and Disaster Management at USUHS Medical School for FEMA and NATO.
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And d) tattoo a scarlet “C” on their forehead … 'er … that might be politically incorrect. Maybe some letter other than “C” or “J”.
Can’t respond - jaw broken from hitting the floor.
I’m not a doctor but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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…and assumption proven correct. Except you merely replied, and didnt include any quote at all.
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Oh it’s on now! /grabs popcorn/
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No. Unless we’ve decided 90% of the population should get infected, this is not true. We STILL need to ramp up testing faster than the slow imaginary plans in place (realistically, we’re talking a month away at earliest because it takes time to logistically catch up, and the required testing numbers now are becoming staggering as the future required numbers for mitigation increase every day we don’t do anything. ) Once we have more tests, we should be testing every less symptomatic and asymptomatic people who are know to have been in contact with positive tested people and enforcing self quarantines on all of those. It’s a much lower cost for 10% of the population to quarantine a few weeks than the alternative. Tests of others with minor symptoms and no known exposure is the only way to catch unknown areas of community spread before the breakout gets very large. The deaths lag in time too much and it takes a massive outbreak for them to just stick out.
This won’t stop the virus immediately but lets the cases level off like in S Korea and start a path to decreasing.
But we would be at 100k+ tests a day already weeks ago if we were just matching S Korea. Not 2700 a day now, and only 250 a day 2 weeks ago. That’s why we’re probably already further past the edge than Italy.
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On the individual level, it’s a simple peace of mind thing. Completely understandable. We should have enough test kit to cover those people as well.
WTF happened in Italy is coming for us, including Shinobi
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