Does the coronavirus merit investment, or personal, concern or consideration?

Question: Think I know the answer.
On the 4 plans the president proposed yesterday to help Americans.

One is, The Deferral of Payroll Tax.
If a person pays Estimated Taxes periodically, could he stop his payments through the end of the year? If so, I imagine you would still have to pay at a later date.

I am self-employed & pay those estimated taxes. So just checking to see if I could skip payment for the rest of the year.

Of course, Nancy & Chuck are on the move to try & stop the Presidents proposal. :wink:

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The news:

The paper. The result:


Droplet transmission through face masks. (A) Relative droplet transmission through the corresponding mask. Each solid data point represents the mean and standard deviation over 10 trials for the same mask, normalized to the control trial (no mask), and tested by one speaker. The hollow data points are the mean and standard deviations of the relative counts over four speakers. A plot with a logarithmic scale is shown in Supplementary Fig. S1. (B) The time evolution of the droplet count (left axis) is shown for representative examples, marked with the corresponding color in (A): No mask (green), Bandana (red), cotton mask (orange), and surgical (blue – not visible on this scale). The cumulative droplet count for these cases is also shown (right axis).

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Smart man… We have heard same story, takes time.

Looks like an opportunity to open the Honkinggoose Diagnostics Results Center of Excellence. We’ll send your report within an hour of your check clearing. :slight_smile:

meaning, he guessed, that somewhere between a third and three-quarters of the population carried into the epidemic significant protection against its scariest outcomes. He told me that he believed the distribution of this T-cell response could explain at least some, and perhaps quite a lot, of COVID-19’s age skew when it comes to disease severity and mortality, since the young are the most exposed to other coronaviruses, and the protection tapers as you get older and spend less time in environments, like schools, where these viruses spread so promiscuously.

So…keeping kids out of school has made returning to school more dangerous, with kids having a 6 month break from being exposed to countless other viruses and illnesses that help keep their immune system strong.

More and more evidence is showing the best response is to adapt and plow through it, not panic and hide from it indefinitely.

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I would not work on figuring out the impact of any proposal until it’s in a bill that has a remote chance to pass both chambers. Otherwise, you may put a lot of work into something going nowhere.

Now the school is closed because 9 students tested positive over the weekend and more are getting tested because of contact with those 9 confirmed cases. Sure did not see this coming …

In other news, pretty bummed out folks around here that the Big Ten football season is cancelled. I wonder if it was the health reasons (myocarditis concerns) or the players demands, that was the final straw.

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" New Zealand has been at Alert Level 1 since June 8 — which states the disease is contained within the country, but “uncontrolled overseas,” according to its coronavirus site.

Under Alert Level 1, schools and workplaces are permitted to open and there are no restrictions on gatherings or domestic travel. People are urged to maintain a record of where they have been, stay home if feeling ill and wash hands, as well maintain other basic hygiene practices. Event organizers, workplaces and services are “encouraged” to maintain records to allow for contact tracing."

They’ve already had 2 months of no restrictions and basically normalcy.

Yeah, Tasmania is doing great, too, in marked contrast to the remainder of Australia, some regions of which are in a world of hurt.

It’s a lot easier to keep the virus at bay when your base is an island . . . . . . and not an entire continent.

Yes much fewer points of entry and much lower population density moving around.

Still, it’s a bit simplistic to blame it all on geography. If you look at countries like Germany (continental country bordering 11 other countries, high population, and high population density), there are ways to counter geographical disadvantages and limit the damage.

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Of course it is. And if you believe the bogus Administration’s claims, we cut off all entry points completely before anyone else in the world. So that invalidates the travel claim. Can’t have it both ways, claiming we cut off travel “first” and " most" and then at the same time claim no responsibility for poorly controlling the visitor arrival process and that it makes the country more vulnerable.

Plus you can’t forget the extra 2 miles of wall built in 4 years. No one can cross our land borders with the big beautiful 2 miles of wall!

New Zealand DOES still have travel related cases, but they’re all properly in isolation.

Who said indefinitely? Just long enough to get vaccinated seem like a valid option to me. Plus nothing says you should just plow through without attempting to mitigate transmission and risks.

I’d imagine a 50+ year old teacher at one of those schools reopening without mandated masks or with bare minimum attempts at preventing transmission and having no option but to put yourself at risk, may have a slightly different view on the issue.

The children casualties are already in the 1000s, too. I linked above there are already around 600 diagnosed and that have admitted to hospitals with inflammatory syndrome

If we’ve already found 600, there are obviously many more.

Yes, of course teachers inhabit a privileged class and are entitled to benefits not allocated to those in lower castes. For example, the workers who day after day stock the shelves of supermarkets and check out patrons there are highly exposed. But they are not exalted teachers so they must go to work regardless. Ditto for pharmacy clerks and pharmacists themselves . . . . and there are countless other examples of people who run virus risk daily in order to earn their livings and serve all of us.

But not teachers, not privileged, overpaid, teachers, who have special entitlements. Having the kids back in school confers benefits beyond the obvious ones associated with the children themselves (meals, socialization, mental health generally, better learning opportunities). It also frees moms and dads to leave home and pursue their own employment.

So services performed by teachers are multi-faceted and every bit as essential as those of store personnel. But, no, teachers get a pass because they are so special and entitled.

Horsefeathers!! Enough of this BS. Teachers need to do their duty along with other providers of essential services . . . . or quit and pursue another line of work.

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You’re setting up a false narrative. Two bad or imperfect things doesn’t make them both good. Grocery stores aren’t believed to be as a large a risk, but nothing is stopping encouragement or mandates to move it to a curbside model (if that were necessary).

Neither would even still be an issue if the virus were now in a containment phase and if the richest country in the world didn’t have the worst outbreak in the world.

The above is not merely in error, it is unadulterated gibberish.

??? What exactly are you referring to as gibberish?

– Please cite a scientific source claiming grocery stores are higher risk than long duration exposure in crowded classrooms. Grocery store does not seem to be an ideal situation, but I am not aware of claims/studies that have concluded being spread out in grocery stores and temporary contacts is equivalent to hours and hours in crowded rooms.

– Businesses being able to operate with a curbside model if they don’t want their employees exposed to the public is gibberish? There are many businesses that have already switched to fully operating with that model without mandates to do so. There have also actually been some curbside mandates in some states for some types of businesses.

– two bad situations doesn’t mean neither is bad? Saying one group has little say so no other group should either is what’s gibberish.

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I just wonder why there is a shortage of teachers in the US if it’s such a cushy job where you’re overpaid for your college degree. As someone who, given the choice, decidedly avoided academia after my Ph.D, I really can’t think of any reason one would turn down such a golden opportunity. Still despite these amazing prospects, I personally think that if teachers had some sense, they would find another line of work since IMO it’s an underpaid thankless shit job.

But I get it. Many people want the problem to go away magically (some actively trying to wish it into reality), and to be someone’s else duty to make it so, and who cares about who we put in harm’s way to get it done. Teachers need to take one for the team and fulfill their daycare duty properly. Since they cannot perform that job function if they teach remotely, schools need to reopen no matter how unsafe. Obviously, that stance is a bit easier to take from the safety of one’s bunker.

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Well, yeah, it’s a little easier with something like 6 people living on each island…