Does the coronavirus merit investment, or personal, concern or consideration?

No, just that he was tested by his own doctors and not those associated with the venue, and presumably was negative. That wouldn’t be surprising since it takes around 4-5 days from infection before there’s enough virus even for PCR to detect with any reliability.

Since Trump seems to have gotten infected at the Sat SCOTUS nomination event, the test for Tuesday’s debate would have been negative even if he was indeed incubating low levels of the virus at that point. Of course when the viral levels are so low PCR can’t detect them, it’s believed that people are not yet infectious to others around them. Infectiousness supposedly starts about a day or so before symptoms show up, and that’s around the time the PCR test can reliable detect it. So Thursday he was probably contagious and that evening is when he reported the positive test results, and Friday he was starting to have symptoms.

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They haven’t released when the last negative test was. Trump could have conceivably already been infected before Saturday and spreading at his covid party. (Seems to be consensus can spread a few days before testing positive, and several days before any eventual symptoms).

There’s no reason to keep a secret preventing release of the information when he last tested negative, except if it was several days earlier – in which case it would be damaging to release how many more people he recklessly endangered. But they’re specifically not answering this direct question that was asked multiple times today. IMO, there is not public info to make any reasonable guesses one way or the other.

Looks like the doctor outright lied/ deceived earlier today.

He clearly said the president was not on any oxygen Friday. But the second time he said “And yesterday with the team, while we were all here, he was not on oxygen,” which is more specific and leaves open that he was on oxygen when the full ‘team’ was not with him.

No question.

Trump is a liar and now his doctors are also liars. You see, that is how Trump chooses his doctors. If they cannot lie as well as him they are off the team.

Thank goodness millions of Americans every bit as smart as you have figured this out.

Give it a rest, give us all a major break, and go have another Whataburger.

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I am completely lost. What is your Whataburger reference all about? And what’s it have to do with coronavirus affecting investments or other instability?

The president’s oxygen being low enough to warrant supplemental oxygen is a very big deal. The symptoms were very serious if that was warranted. He is also in a more dangerous cohort than we all assumed, which adds uncertainty to the markets.

Yes, it’s actually more transparent than similar health peril details of prior presidents. But they don’t really have a choice now with everyone having a camera in their phone, etc, unlike 50 years ago… the helicopter to Walter Reed would have been noticed, or even just the reduced Twitter presence and canceled campaign covid party events…

Nothing to see here

Sorry. I thought you were in TX.

The press and people who hate him will believe whatever they want. My point is that the timeline for him getting it at the Sat party, where lots of people seem to have gotten it, is entirely consistent with Trump testing negative until Thurs (day 5 after exposure). Incubation period is about 5 days, so he wouldn’t expect to test positive much sooner.

No hidden tests and recklessness required. If you want to believe he’s been a superspreader and had the virus in a non-test-detectable way for the past month and has been giving it to every person who got sick after attending a rally, sure it’s not technically impossible and I can’t stop you but it’s sure not the simplest, most likely explanation.

5 days is consistent. 10 days is consistent. It’s all speculation without unreleased information. If there was a test negative the day before then it would much more closely support your theory and a closer timeline could be established. (Which IS possible, I didn’t say it wasn’t). It’s up to 2 weeks for symptoms for people who are symptomatic.

Regal theatres shutting down.

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And that gives you license to just make up facts?

Just make up what facts? The fact is we don’t know the timeline. That’s not made up…
Hicks was NOT at the rose garden event. (along with several others who weren’t at the event.) So that was unlikely ground zero for the full outbreak.

We do know the white house has not released the last day the president tested negative, so the fact is we can’t pin the earliest reasonable infection date.

We do know there were multiple covid parties sponsored by the white house last Saturday, with packed in people, no masks or social distancing. There are videos…

Clearly, he should’ve hired one of those TV doctors who are use to talking to cameras…

“It does not say that at all. It said that both campaigns said they were tested earlier that day before arrival. Trump campaign just (apparently) lied.:”

“Trump was reckless and got to the venue too late to be tested on site. Ignore the pesky, irrelevant detail that the Bidens also arrived too late to be tested at the facility, actually even later than Trump. It was clearly Trump who was out of line by not getting there days in advance like the much more responsible Wallace.”

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That was back a bit in the thread, didn’t know you were referring to that comment specifically. I was wrong there.

Honor system was referring to them representing they were tested. It does not seem clear if there was any required timeline associated with how soon, although that seems like a nonsensical requirement of there wasn’t a required recency. Hopefully they solidify the requirements before the vice presidential debate. And require actual evidence.

Clearly a failure by the debate commission. Apparently, it’s now completely unreasonable to use the “honor system” with presidential candidates and their families, or to expect them to follow the rules (masks in audience) while on private property.

" The Labor Department said on Friday that 2.4 million people had been out of work for 27 weeks or more, the threshold it uses to define long-term joblessness. An even bigger surge is on the way: Nearly five million people are approaching long-term joblessness over the next two months. The same report showed that even as temporary layoffs were on the decline, permanent job losses were rising sharply.

Those two problems — rising long-term unemployment and permanent job losses — are separate but intertwined and, together, could foreshadow a period of prolonged economic damage and financial pain for American families.

Companies that are limping along below capacity this far into the crisis may be increasingly unlikely to ever recall their employees. History also suggests the longer that people are out of work, the harder it is for them to get back into a job."

“High-interaction businesses like restaurants, theaters, casinos, conferences and cruises are struggling to fully reopen as the coronavirus continues to spread, leaving many workers out of jobs.”

“Altogether, nearly 3.8 million people had lost their jobs permanently in September, according to the Labor Department’s latest monthly survey, almost twice as many as at the height of the pandemic job losses, in April.”

Dam, there goes my $10 gift card…

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Kellyanne also tested positive. Even though she quit in Aug, she was at the WH for the justice nomination (I mean COVID party).

The way the virus works is small amounts could enter your nose, mouth, or respiratory system at any time, amounts too small to be detected by tests. Then the virus starts replicating and becomes detectable by tests. So pinning down the exact moment of infection is difficult unless one received a detectable dose at once and was immediately tested.

In other words, you can have a negative test as the virus is incubating. This means Trump and his staff and associates testing positive may have been infected at various times. It’s possible they were exposed multiple times to small amounts of the virus until it became test-positive.

This means the younger people with healthier systems (like Jared, Ivanka, etc.) may not become ill or positive with a small dose, or the virus might keep incubating until they become positive. Unless they take preventive methods now, repeated exposure to even tiny amounts of the virus will likely not end well.

I suspect most of the people going maskless in Trump’s orbit have been exposed to small amounts of virus several times as even negatively tested people can be carrying it. It could have been repeated exposures to small amounts so that suddenly a bunch of people were carrying the virus without testing positive . As mentioned, single small amounts take some time to replicate.

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