How is that timeline out of his ass? The last pandemic had a widely available vaccine in less than nine months.
This morning I read an article from 6 years ago, comparing the pandemic in (the TV show) “The Last Ship” with what we could expect in reality, and it said an emergency vaccine could be created and pushed through in as little as 8-12 weeks. Of course, that was also in the context of an actual dangerous pandemic with a near-100% fatality rate within days of exposure, not one where most infected people dont even know they’re infected.
Because the dates he provided during the town hall or debate were sooner than what anyone else talks about, including his own administration officials. Even if the first dose is technically “available” as soon as he says, it won’t be available to be administered on a massive scale.
Except the people who are actually developing the vaccines. They’ve been pretty in step with this timeline all along.
You mentioned it earlier - we already purchased 100M doses of a number of vaccines, and they’re being produced prior to approval. It wont be literally overnight, but distribution should be closer to overnight than a lot of those pessimistic timeframes being tossed around. The only way it takes as long as some want to claim is if all the trials go bust and we’re back at square one.
No, the guess is off. Or just maybe not specific enough. Guess is reasonable for getting the bulk of the vaccines administered but not for getting past it.
Yes everyone is cautiously optimistic that we’ll “have a (safe and effective) vaccine” before the end of the year. That’s different than having it widely distributed, administered, and the virus under control.
Well the people who want the crisis to continue thru the election started talking up “how unsafe it would be to give a vaccine before the election” but it would be totally fine, “if the science said so”, in late November instead of early November. You have people like aspiring VP Harris saying she would not take a Trump approved vaccine, and discouraging people from taking it.
If the science says we have an effective vaccine, and the last analyst I saw was expecting over 90% vaccine efficacy (TBD of course, but based on the early trials, antibody responses to the vaccine vs in sick people, etc), why would she say she would not take it and why discourage other people from taking it?
The PFE vaccine first interim review should be in a week or two. When it turns out to be effective and some people don’t take it because of the Democratic and left wing media grandstanding, both of those groups will have blood on their hands.
not at all what was said. She, like most Americans, said she wouldn’t take one if only Trump said it was safe and effective, while no respected scientists did so.
She explicitly said she obviously would if Trump said so in addition to our medical institutions and scientists. Trump’s statements one way or the other are irrelevant on whether a vaccine is actually safe and effective. He has no credibility.
Even if vaccines are distributed quickly (and I’m not sure that all the doses could be distributed where they need to go right away, as there’s probably storage requirements, like space, refrigeration), they needs to be administered. I think this will be the biggest hurdle. Will there be crazy 6-ft distanced masked lines outside hospitals and drugstores, or will it be a laissez faire approach like with the flu vaccine?
I just had a brilliant (IMO) idea – there should be a single federal government website that will tell you where you can get a vaccine near you and let you schedule an appointment. I’m guessing this would work best if most people are vaccinated within a short window.
Yeah, I was “hopes & prayers” for more. If the effectiveness is only 70%, and only 70-80% of the population take it (which may also be too optimistic), it’ll continue to be a problem for a while.
And I expected more from our democratic candidates. Look how well the mixed messaging worked for masks - Fauci said early on we didn’t need them if we weren’t a health care professional, and now look at the trouble we’re having trying to get people to wear them.
Any time you’re trying to convince the public to do something voluntarily for the public safety at large, you need to be very careful about what you say since it can irreparably harm your ability to convince them otherwise later.
Of course the vaccine was going to be approved by the FDA and CDC scientists, not to mention the drug makers whose reputations are on the line, before it was going to be given to the public. Talking about it as if it would have been only approved by Trump is some deranged fantasy.
To have the media and the Democratic candidates saying how they wouldn’t take a vaccine if…
This kind of coverage and behavior is dangerously irresponsible. People will be scared and not get the vaccine due to this kind of media coverage and statements by prominent democratic politicians and some of them will die because of it. I think there’s no question at all about this.
I could really care less about the people who voluntarily refuse the vaccine with full knowledge of their risks. But there are also
those who were tricked into thinking it was more dangerous for them than covid to help win an election, or
those whose immune systems don’t work and might get the virus from someone else who could have been vaccinated but wasn’t because of democratic fear mongering, or
those in NY or CA whose states want to delay vaccines so they can test the vaccines themselves to their satisfaction even if people die in the meanwhile
All those people I feel really bad for and put full blame on every one of those future deaths on the Democrats.
But it’s NOT solely a personal risk decision. Those people are most important, because they are spreaders to vulnerable populations who can’t take the vaccines as well as vaccinated people for whom the vaccine is ineffective.
Similar situation to the anti- mask terrorists who are too weak and cowardly to wear a mask to contribute to the health and safety of others.
That’s a red herring, setting it up as a backstop, in case she cant find anything to rail on and has no choice but to give Trump the “win”, without eating her words of outright refusal.
But the companies declare their product safe, because Trump wants them to. The FDA approves it on Trump’s instruction. The CDC endorses it because Trump orders them to. Any vaccine put on the market would be attributed to Trump in some way, and will thus be promoted as being inherently dangerous and reckless.
It is a personal risk decision. If those vulnerable people are exposing themselves to the risk, they’ve already made that decision. That is what’s reckless, and instead of calling a spade a spade, you’re expecting me to go against my own choices to cover for their recklessness.
Excuse me? Those are actual accusations that have already been hyped by you guys. Hell, Trump cant just say a vaccine is safe, it has to be approved by the FDA. So now that I called it out, you’re claiming that if a vaccine is approved you’ll consider it safe?
It doesnt matter what he says; there is no choice for anyone to make about taking the vaccine unless the vaccine is approved. If it isnt approved, it wont be available for anyone whether they want it or not.
He can have his appointees make whatever statements he wants, I said he can’t make respected members of our institutions make false statements. Sure, there can be a slew of resignations preceding his appointee announcing an approval. That would be obvious so it is not likely to occur. That’s the point of the free press paying attention. It prevents it from occurring.
He CAN order individuals to NOT make statements, and they will continue to choose to resign if ordered to directly take improper actions.
Of course it matters what he says. He’ll call it a vaccine-like therapeutic supplement that’s not a vaccine, which doesn’t have to go through the same FDA approval process as a vaccine. Is it a vaccine if it’s sold as a therapeutic? For all intents and purposes the experimental drug he received might as well be called a vaccine.
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