Does the coronavirus merit investment, or personal, concern or consideration?

You do realize that your attitude (as expressed here) is what’s responsible for most of what you keep riping on people for?

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From its executive summary, it does not seem to claim its lower. Similar to other high exposure professions (excludes WFH-able or high bargaining power occupations). It says if community transmission is low then schools are safe, because breakouts in schools appear to be impacted by levels of community transmission… And closing schools should be a last resort. Crazily elevated community transmission rates have brought us to this place…

“Not higher” than other occupations is not the same thing as miniscule/lower.

Not being able to trace the actual pathway because there is no containment environment being investigated leaves at best with “appears to be responsible for a minority”. Appears is not the same as “is.” A minority can also be up to 49% if it were actually determined (which the study clearly says it was not determined, but only “appears to be”)…

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  • Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 can occur within school settings and clusters have been reported in preschools, primary and secondary schools. Incidence of COVID-19 in school settings appear to be impacted by levels of community transmission. Where epidemiological investigation has occurred, transmission in schools has accounted for a minority of all COVID-19 cases in each country.
  • Educational staff and adults within the school setting are generally not seen to be at a higher risk of infection than other occupations, although educational roles that put one in contact with older children and/or many adults may be associated with a higher risk.
  • Non-pharmaceutical interventions in school settings in the form of physical distancing that prevent crowding as well as hygiene and safety measures are essential to preventing transmission. Measures must be adapted to the setting and age group and consider the need to prevent transmission as well as to provide children with an optimal learning and social environment."

Of course, the good ol’ exception to the rule. With thousands of classrooms over many months, it is bound to happen somewhere at some point.

Someone is also bound to be killed in a car accident on their way to school, too. Are these teachers also claiming it’s too dangerous for them to drive to work?

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Don’t take me wrong. I’d like schools to reopen as I see with my own niece/nephew the impact virtual learning is having on them. And they go to private schools, which have been virtual for months now.

Having said that, my fear is that the moment people get seriously ill or die because of an infection at a school, then we could see some serious push back. Reality is that there is more risk in closed spaces. As you said, it’s about probabilities.

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Yes, everyone loosely related to school kids are all dropping dead left and right. Why won’t anyone just admit it! So many orphans now living with the guilt of being responsible for mom and dad’s deaths just because they wanted to learn how to read!

Based on actual data, statistically speaking about one leg hair of one grandpa of one of those 9 kids in that class died from Covid, whether it was directly linked to the school outbreak or not.

Yes, bad things happen. No one is saying it’s impossible. It’s highly improbable. The real issue here is how “you” expect to handicap entire school districts just to indulge your own unique circumstances (and, mostly, your own opinion). And shame on a union for facilitating, and even encouraging, it.

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I havent gone searching for examples, so there may be some. But I’ve yet to hear of any school district mandating in-person attendance. Everywhere I’ve seen has provided the option of continued virtual/remote instruction. Most of the rabblerousing (again, that I’ve seen) is from those who can choose continued remote instruction - their objection is over the benefits other students are receiving by attending class in person. The argument always boils down to some version of “If I chose to make my little Johnny stay home, then damn it, it isnt fair to him unless your little Suzy has to stay home too!”

I agree with you - my fear has also been the potential knee-jerk reactions to isolated ‘less than ideal’ outcomes.

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No, but it is obviously a transmission vector. Which is mainly a problem when community transmission levels are high and or there’s also only “limited testing available”. Both of which were called out in the study Xerty linked and both of which apply in this case.

No, there is no shame on the union. They’re supposed to advocate for their members. And that’s what they appear to be doing.

Not in Chicago. :smile:

Unions, shameless. Got it. :slightly_smiling_face:

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AZN not looking so good vs S Africa in early testing

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/South-Africa-stops-using-Oxford-AstraZeneca-15931901.php

South Africa will suspend use of the coronavirus vaccine being developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca after researchers found that it provided “minimal protection” against mild to moderate coronavirus infections caused by the new variant first detected in that country.

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Not a perfect experiment but in Israel more confirmation that vaccinated people who get infected may have lower viral loads by 2/3 or so, and hence be less contagious than they would be otherwise.

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Yes, the unions are working for the teachers. (& the union) $$'s for teachers & union itself. By the way Biden loves the union more so than opening the schools.

Unions don’t care about the children. Makes me wonder if unions have any thoughts about the suicide
level of children that are left alone daily.

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mission accomplished!

Actually it would be that I paid for it, while others didn’t …

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You’ll be pleased to know that the WHO investigation team sent to Wuhan has, despite being denied access to many areas and scientists and destroyed evidence, concluded after their brief visit and a mere few hours of discussion with the researchers at the Wuhan Virology Institute, that the virus is probably wasn’t from a lab and we definitely aren’t going to investigate that any further.

the findings suggest that the laboratory incidents hypothesis is extremely unlikely to explain the introduction of the virus to the human population” and will not be suggested as an avenue of future study, Embarek.

and just like that, the case is closed and any mention of the possibility of a lab origin / escape is now a “debunked claim” and will get you banned for misinformation by our betters at Facebook. I’m sure our other unelected stewards of free speech WrongThink will follow suit promptly.

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Hmm… Maybe they can conclude it didnt come from that Chinese lab, because they already know what lab it did come from… :wink:

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Regarding the two shot vaccines:

Fauci now saying do not wait too long between the two shots. Doing so, he says, enhances possibility for formation of variants.

Fauci has said waiting too long between shots could lead new mutations to form.

The CDC now says you can spread out vaccine doses, but only when absolutely necessary.

In a Jan. 22 update to its vaccine guidelines, the CDC said, “The second dose should be administered as close to the recommended interval as possible.” However, “if it is not feasible to adhere to the recommended interval, the second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines may be scheduled for administration up to six weeks (42 days) after the first dose. There are currently limited data on efficacy of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered beyond this window.”

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it’s almost confirms the conspiracy to me about how vociferous they were in denial. Regardless it did come from China and they need to stop eating exotic animals/mammals.

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No WHO’s on first. <:-]

Hmm … this WHO report is almost as funny (in a sad way) as Bud & Lou’s routine. Maybe we should quit sending them money.

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Some decent arguments for free markets around dealing with the pandemic (testing, vaccines, etc), and how the government controlled approach has failed in several areas, in particularly slowing national responses that could have saved many lives and untold trillions in economic losses / stimulus avoided.

https://johnhcochrane.blogspot.com/2021/01/vaccines-at-nr.html

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