So soon after arrival that it is very likely this child was infected with COVID while on the mainland or perhaps in transit
The boy… was 10 years old or younger and had underlying health conditions
Don’t blame Hawaii it seems.
The article says this is based on 32 countries, 136 medical centers, and a total of 432 stroke patients with covid. And 1 in 4, or about 100 total, are under 55. Normal would expect about 60.
So this indicates about 40 extra people under 55 have had strokes with covid. That’s a pretty miniscule rate of occurance relative to the total number of covid infections 32 countries would include. Considering that people over 55 have, in general, been more sheltered from covid exposure, the number of stroke patients with covid is going to skew younger anyways. So the question is, remove the “with covid” criteria and look at all stroke patients instead of just those 432 with covid, and do people under 55 still comprise more than the expected 10-15% of total stroke patients? I’m guessing not much, if at all.
Same goes with the “healthy” part - unhealthy people have been more sheltered from covid exposure, so the number of stroke patients with covid is going to skew healthier, too. There isnt even a mention of how many people normally suffer strokes despite having no known risk factors, only that 25% is “unusually high”. And this still doesnt consider how many “healthy” stroke patients would’ve learned that they had developed risk factors leading up to their stroke, had they not cancelled their regular medical exams and screenings over the last year.
From the article
Officials said the child had coronavirus symptoms after arriving and died at a hospital.
What the heck is “coronavirus symptoms”? Fever? Cough? Lung congestion?
Also what was the boy’s prior condition?
This is just a sensationalistic new story about an unfortunate child who died with Covid not from Covid.
“In Florida, you can get fired for protecting your health. That’s the message my Republican colleagues sent when they failed to protect everyday Floridians from being discriminated against or fired for following CDC guidance and getting a COVID vaccine,” Pizzo said in a statement shortly after the Senate voted down his amendment.
That’s a stretch, because it is impossible for anyone to prove they havent been vaccinated. Meaning there is no way to enforce the policy (of firing vaccinated workers) unless such a worker is running their mouth. And that’s pretty much the whole point, to stop the bullying of people over whether they have chosen to not be vaccinated. This amendment’s purpose was to protect workers who get on their self-righteous soapbox to preach about how everyone should just do it and you’re terrible if you dont. Florida is saying it is a personal decision that should remain personal, and is protecting all people from undue pressure either way. But if you still insist on putting it out there anyways, you’re at the mercy of whoever is in charge of that sandbox.
(I do think the school that announced the policy of firing vaccinated teachers went way off the deep end with their explanations of why they were doing so, but that’s beside the point.)
This study is straight up fear porn. The closest they come to explaining their claim is:
“Stroke is reported as a consequence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus infection in several reports,”
which they immediately follow with:
“However, data are sparse regarding the details of these patients in a multinational and large scale.”
Then they contradict that hypothesis:
Some 38% of the 432 patients studied had no idea, upon having a stroke, that they were COVID-positive, mostly only finding out when hospitals conducted routine coronavirus tests.
You can’t have severe acute respiratory syndrome in the age of COVID and not know you have COVID. As @glitch99 pointed out, it was 40 extra people out of 100. 38% of that hundred didn’t have severe acute respiratory syndrome. Could it be that most of those 40 extra people are part of that 38%? Meaning, we don’t actually know that COVID contributed to their stroke because there is literally nothing pointing to that being the case or this study would have… oh I don’t know… studied that and reported on it. Why do these doctors have no problem claiming COVID causes strokes in young people but have no explanation for why it happened to 38% of them? Maybe come up with a reason before jumping to that conclusion Doc.
Once again - I am open to COVID causing other issues. I just want doctors to be responsible when it comes to these claims. If COVID causes young healthy people to stroke out, figure out how why and explain it to me. Just pointing out that 40 extra young people had strokes with COVID out of 32 countries’ worth of COVID infected doesn’t actually tell me much. Maybe there’s a reason behind it, maybe it’s a statistical anomaly, or maybe it was something else - maybe even something -GASP- lockdown related! Oh s–t he said it. Better censor this post.
The solution to this sort of thing is put the information out there and allow freedom of association. Based on her claim that vaccinated people may be a danger to non-vaccinated people - the lady who runs the school is a nut. But there are lots of nuts out there. If you believe in safe spaces, you should believe that this school is a safe space for teachers and kids of parents that are nuts.
That said, if you were a teacher at this school and there was no prior indication that you were working for nuts (hard to believe, but possible) and you got the vaccine and got fired, I would feel bad for you. If I were on the jury of your wrongful termination lawsuit, I would find in favor of you, the fired teacher. The school would have to present some sort of evidence on how you getting the vaccine endangered people at your workplace. Since they couldn’t do it, they clearly shouldn’t be able to fire you. That’s assuming Florida is an at-will employment state and getting a vaccine is covered under some sort of medical treatment/disability discrimination clause in state law.
This article is about adding that to the law if it isn’t already there. If it’s not, I don’t have a problem with adding it. But since this is so new, I’d put a provision in to allow the employer to present a case that getting the medical treatment did actually endanger people in the workplace. It’s not the case with the COVID vaccine, but who knows, it could be with something else someday.
"Their study, newly released in the peer-reviewed journal Stroke, observed that one in four COVID-positive stroke patients are under 55, and the same proportion lacked obvious vascular risk factors like high blood pressure, diabetes or smoking.
This is unusually high. Normally, 10 to 15 percent of stroke patients are aged 18 to 50, and the figure is assumed to be similar when the age range is expanded to under 55s."
25% of COVID-positive stroke patients are under 55 (and they lacked obvious risk factors).
Normally it’s 10 to 15 percent.
This is perfectly clear. Younger covid-positive people have a much higher percentage who get strokes than people who are not covid-positive. It’s not a surprise, either.
You need to look at the big picture. I don’t think you understand the comprehensive nature of the information. It seems like, if it were up to you, no info would be released. Do you think you could successfully design and complete a better study?
PS Of course you can carry Covid with no symptoms. Many people do. Just like many other illnesses. It takes time for Covid to develop, some people get sicker than others faster than others, and some hardly get sick at all, so for those and everyone else who contracts COVID who is symptomless for a period of time, of course you don’t know you have Covid!
Even if you have symptoms, you don’t know that it’s COVID until tested for it.
I haven’t been following that study or other similar results, but it’s quite clear at this point that covid causes high blood clot risks in many people and these small clots are responsible for many of the symptoms and can screw up a wide range of organ systems (kidney failure, breathing/lung issues, strokes, etc). Nearly all people who die of covid have evidence of blood clot problems and it’s hardly a stretch to think that those who are less badly effected have less serious blood clot risks / problems. It wouldn’t at all surprise me in a year or two if they conclude the cognitive defects (“brain fog”) reported in long hauler or seriously hospitalized cases turns out to be the impact of a handful of small strokes from these tiny clots in the brain.
The doc for a younger friend who tested positive with no symptoms (and remained so) was prescribed baby aspirin to reduce this clot risk and potentially bad outcomes from that.
Except for the fact it says no such thing. It doesnt even indicate that there are more younger people having strokes than normal, which would be the necessary first step towards showing covid is causing anything.
As I noted, the fact that 85%+ stroke patients are over 55 means that, in general, 85%+ of stroke patients have been more sheltered from potential covid exposure. So the covid-positive stroke patients are going to skew younger regardless, which could easily account for the 10% variance. You need to look at the big picture before painting any conclusions, and this article only gives a very small fraction of that picture.
The point was it claimed the stroke is a consequence of severe acute respiratory syndrome. You simply cannot have severe acute respiratory issues and not know it; if you dont even know you are sick, you clearly do not have severe or acute anything.
Won’t covid stop encouraging those fat shaming jerks?
Some racist is banning travel to India with an excuse about covid. Where will the same critics be a year later?
It’s almost like we should have banned travel a year ago instead of now. Nah, that’s crazy talk. There was a very important impeachment going on instead.
This is actually useful information about why there could be a link. I don’t understand why it isn’t in the study referenced above. I can only assume the article about the study would have included it if it were in there.
What causes small blood clots? Should people take aspirin just in case?
One theory I read was that the virus attacks the lining cells of your blood vessels, which also have a lot of the same ACE2 receptors as the ones in your lungs. So when your immune system attack and kill some of the viral infected blood vessel cells, the broken cells trigger the clotting cascade since when you have an injury in your blood vessel, usually your want to make clots to prevent ongoing blood loss. But this is an internal injury, not an external trauma, so you don’t need the clots and they just cause trouble. And when this happens all throughout your circulatory system, that trouble ends up everywhere.
I don’t know enough to speculate about taking baby aspirin regularly as a blood thinner. I’d ask your doctor, but I have only heard about ppl be recommended it after they were covid positive, not ahead of time.
There’s no money in ivermectin. Interview with one of the front line doctors who testified to the senate and has been instrumental in developing covid treatment protocols.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=19DPijOoVKE
He shows how people with symptomatic covid, including long haulers, often see nearly immediate improvements following treatments with ivermectin. Cites successes in prophylaxis and preventing transmission when a household member tests positive. Publication with their results should be out very soon, and in the meanwhile, if you need a courageous doctor to proscribe it to you via telemedicine, their site has a number of them listed.
This is sort of like hydroxychloroquine again.
it’s a drug for intestinal worms and parasites. There’s no clear evidence it does anything for COVID.
Although a relatively safe drug, one can overdose.
It would be better not to post such things without caveats.
It’s got known antiviral and anti inflammatory aspects as well.
There’s no clear evidence it does anything for COVID.
I guess that depends what you mean by “clear”. Here’s an ongoing systematic review of over 50 ivermectin trials, with a typical risk reduction of 80% in bad outcomes across a wide range of stages of the disease.