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Garlic has known anti-viral and anti-inflammatory compounds as well, so should there be a site for garlic for Covid? Many people recovered who ate garlic. A lot of people recover from COVID on their own.

Ivmmeta is a very biased site.

I posted one study that showed minimal or no effect. That one wasn’t on Ivmmeta.

Problems with Ivmmeta:

" Based on my funnel plot analysis, there is likely publication bias in the ivmmeta data, meaning there are unpublished studies showing no benefit. Based on my review, I think ivermectin is a promising therapeutic for COVID-19, but the current data on its use is not convincing enough to outweigh its risks. There is a signal of benefit, yes, and in the near future there may be a well-done study that shows benefit in some patients. (Actually, there are several ongoing trials studying exactly this.) However, the data supporting ivermectin’s use published on ivmmeta.com is not robust enough to inform a practice change or suggest the drug should be prescribed for COVID-19 patients. There is certainly not enough convincing evidence to argue that a well-done RCT is unethical. In fact, the data strongly suggests that an RCT should be done. I encourage physicians and patients to participate in a randomized trial, so that we can better understand ivermectin’s real potential."

How a Flawed Data Base…

I’m pretty sure it’s not a cure but it might possibly shorten illness times like many, many things, including garlic and eating better food.

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https://www.yahoo.com/gma/hospitalizations-rise-135-kansas-city-141800113.html

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thanks for the additional sources. I hadn’t looked into all the studies, but agree there could well be selection bias that skews the apparently favorable results. That said, ivermectin has a very good safety profile and with first hand experience from the doctor and his colleagues on rapid patient improvements, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

It’s certainly the case that none of the big Pharma companies, looking at recurring multi-billion dollar covid vaccine booster contracts, are going to be rushing out any new ivermectin trials since it’s cheap and off patent. It looks like there are 5 US trials, and none of them are even done recruiting.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=Covid19&term=Ivermectin+&cntry=US&state=&city=&dist=&Search=Search

I skimmed the interview. That doctor was mostly reporting anecdotally he gave people Ivermectin and they got better! A very large percentage of people recover from COVID without any treatment so that seems a meaningless observation, like he might have given people garlic and they got better.

I believe Vitamin C can help you recover from COVID because the body utilizes much more Vitamin C when under stress, Vit C is an essential factor in the anti-viral response, it has immunodulary properties, and anti-inflammatory properties so I suspect a randomized trial would show people on relatively high doses of Vitamin C recover slightly faster.

Here’s an article suggesting adding Vitamin C to the treatment protocol for COVID-19:

However, that’s all the type of info we have so far on Ivermectin. And, you can also blame Big Pharma for not rushing Vitamin C trials as well if you want.

So far, I don’t see anything extraordinary about Ivermectin. One study did indicate it shortened the duration of symptoms (from 12 to 10 days) but it seems unikely to be a cure, since it didn’t cure anyone much faster than normal recovery.

Fun fact #1: just one medium potato has 70% of daily value of Vitamin C, most of it in the skin. A small orange has 85%.

Fun fact #2: “conventionally grown” potatoes may come with lots of toxic & carcinogenic pesticide/herbicide/insecticide residue… much of it on the skin.

False advertisement. Those facts do not seem to be fun at all.

#1 seems a lot more like a fact since it uses a quantifiable percentage. #2 comes off a lot less factual considering “lots” doesn’t really mean anything quantifiable and “toxic” is an overused buzzword without any agreed upon meaning as well.

…but you overlooked the word “may”, which makes it factual regardless of how you define “lots” and “toxic”. :wink:

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I love Fun fact #1. I only buy “new red” potatoes. The requirement is to scrub with soap & water, always keep the skins on the potatoes when cooking. Abundant vitamin C!

Skip the rule on “conventionally grown” spuds…

You people have a strange idea of “fun”: potato “facts”

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Do you not see the contradiction in your own position? Why do you need to scrub with soap & water?

Fun exercise:

  1. Type “google.com” in your browser.
  2. Type “conventional potato” in the search bar and click “Search”.
  3. Enjoy the results.

There is plenty of evidence that remnants of pesticides, herbicides, and insecticides are on the potato. The chemicals used are allowed in the US as small quantities are considered safe for human consumption. Some of the same chemicals are banned in other countries. There’s no argument that in larger quantities they are toxic and carcinogenic.

I wrote “may come with lots of”, because clearly not all conventional growers use the same methods to grow their crops. You won’t know if you don’t know the grower personally (and most of us do not).

This is quite off topic, I just wanted to drop what I think is not-so-common knowledge about potato skins having lots of vitamin C, but with a caveat that they may also contain less desirable elements and organic certification should be considered when purchasing.

Fertilizer. Yum?

Well, naturally, before I would cook those “new red” potatoes, they would need to be clean. I always eat the skins along with the whole potato. Actually, at one time, I grew potatoes in my vegetable garden.

So no contradiction! :relaxed: IMO

Yeah, but why soap? I don’t think I’ve ever washed produce with soap, just use my hands and water.

I always use dish soap to clean vegetables (not all veggies, but especially potatoes). Who knows who has touched the raw foods? When cooking I want everything sterile.

When cooking, everything comes out sterile. That’s why in restaurants, gloves are only used when touching ready-to-consume foods, not raw food. I dont know that you even can cook a potato in a way that doesnt sterilize it?

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Sure it’s sterilized when cooked. I want my potatoes washed with soap & water before cooking. When baking a potato, I plan to eat the whole thing, no grit from dirt still on the skin. Potatoes are full of dirt particles when purchased at store.

Maybe some folks don’t mind fine particles cooked on potatoes. Not for me!

Sure. That’s why there’s such a thing as a potato brush. But soap?

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