Does the coronavirus merit investment, or personal, concern or consideration?

Not to sound heartless, but such people should’ve continued to isolate. Blaming others is just deflecting, because exposing themselves to others is what created the risk, regardless of if those others were vaccinated or not. This is the fallacy of the messaging that insists the vaccine is safe and effective - vulnerable people get the shot, and let down their guard.

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probably an intern. :slight_smile: Doc McMorrow my know. :smile:

Lots of virus charts and some market commentary, particularly vaccination rates/consequences by political affiliation.

Speaking of politics, I bet masks will be optional at this big party.

The same way they weren’t worn by the mayor of DC right after they announced a new mask mandate.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dc-mayor-bowser-officiates-maskless-indoor-wedding-after-reinstated-mask-mandate/ar-AAMNzes

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Origins

as this report lays out, a preponderance of the evidence proves that all roads lead to the WIV,” stated Rep. Michael McCaul. “We know gain-of-function research was happening at the WIV and we know it was being done in unsafe conditions. We also now know the head of the Chinese CDC and the director of the WIV’s BSL-4 lab publicly expressed concerns about safety at PRC labs in the summer of 2019. It is our belief the virus leaked sometime in late August or early September 2019. When they realized what happened, Chinese Communist Party officials and scientists at the WIV began frantically covering up the leak, including taking their virus database offline in the middle of the night and requesting more than $1 million for additional security.

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Yet “all-knowing” Fauci continues to be exalted by the American mainstream media. Yesterday alone he appeared on at least two of their “Sunday shows”.

Disgusting :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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I’ll put money down this doesn’t happen until winter if it happens at all.

More and more people are just masking with whatever is as comfortable as possible, not what is a good mask. They (inlcude me in this) are just trying to follow the rules, not actually pay extra for good masks or wear something less comfortable. I think assuming 50% effective in a second mask mandate is actually too high.

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I bet the money will be spent for instant tests at the door.

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More origins from the last head of US intelligence

I had access to all of the U.S. government’s most sensitive intelligence related to the pandemic. My informed opinion is that the lab leak theory isn’t just a “possibility,” at the very least it is more like a probability, if not very close to a certainty.

More than 18 months after the virus first leaked into the world, I still have not seen a single shred of scientific evidence or intelligence that the virus outbreak was a naturally occurring “spillover” that jumped from an animal to a human.

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This was a good, curated Q&A session with a doctor specializing in covid treatment and research.

he answered an hour’s worth of questions about schools, kids, specific adults with health issues and if they should get vaccines or pursue moderately risky activities, etc. there was even a case of someone with chronic fatigue who got lots better after an mRNA vaccine, apparently not alone in that.

He thought schools would be safe with 3’ distancing, masks, and decent ventilation esp since kids often don’t get high viral levels and so transmit much less than adults.

One point I thought was interesting was he cited a long covid risk to children for 1/25 to 1/50 cases and that that was the main benefit to them of getting a vaccine since it seems vaccinated people are much less likely to get long covid even if they do subsequently get infected (see the last 2 minutes of the video for that discussion).

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Looks like he heard the complaints and doesn’t want the bad PR:

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I bet he’s hating the other side of social media. :smile:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/why-did-the-cdc-stop-counting-mild-and-asymptomatic-breakthrough-covid-cases/ar-AAN0fTn?li=BBnb7Kz

So what does this pandemic look like when you stop reporting mild and asymptomatic cases in the unvaccinated as well?

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Like this I guess -

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_5.html

Plus note the lower chart shows that people with no other health issues make up less than 10% of hospitalizations even before considering vaccination.

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Considering Fauci’s admitted past lying, I wonder if these numbers are tweaked to get younger people to vaccinate.

A non-covid reminder of how you shouldn’t expect a cheap effective drug or treatment to make it through the FDA approval process, which takes millions of dollars and a decade or so under usual circumstances.

In brief, a small substitution in an ingredient for treating a rare and still-often -fatal-with-the-old-treatment newborn disorder resulted much better outcomes and 3/4 fewer deaths. But it took a decade from when the first emergency kid was saved with a one-off permission (he was allergic to the original ingredient), and another 6 years after that from when a media campaign got the FDA to consider it until it was finally approved. There are still no good, large randomized trials showing it works better, in part because now “everyone knows” the new version is better and it would be unethical to kill some of the kids in the control group just to prove it.

In the intervening period 16 years, a few kids with this rare thing suffered and often died, no one made any money, and some hard working persistent doctors did way too much paperwork for the greater good.

Incentives matter, and the FDA is set up to keep almost everything illegal until it’s passed huge, expensive hurdles. Repurposed generic drugs? Don’t bet on it. Saving lives isn’t worth it, except to a few doctors.

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Remdesivir follow up shows it to be worse than useless. You may recall mid trial they changed their goal from preventing death or seriousness of care needed (ICU, etc) to “reduced length of hospital stay”, which was already questionable but when you throw in that a 10 day treatment fared worse than the (now used) 5 day one, you really had to wonder if this was all just small statistics and data mining. The answer is apparently “yes”.

Conclusions and Relevance In this cohort study of US veterans hospitalized with COVID-19, remdesivir treatment was not associated with improved survival but was associated with longer hospital stays. Routine use of remdesivir may be associated with increased use of hospital beds while not being associated with improvements in survival.

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Yes, but the drug is making big money for the “right” people. And that is what really matters.

Medical politic$: filthier and more despicable even than party politics

Recap on that huge gay party in Provincetown and the covid outbreak there among a largely vaccinated population.

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Long covid in symptomatic children seems relatively rare (4% have symptoms longer than a month) and seems to be diminishing in the number of symptoms which is encouraging. Notation below LC28 means Long Covid after 28 days.

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2352-4642(21)00198-X

Discussion
In this study, we show that symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection in UK children aged 5–17 years is usually of short duration (6 days vs 11 days in adults2), with low symptom burden. Prolonged illness can occur but is infrequent (4·4% for LC28 and 1·8% for LC56) and lower than for adults (13·3% for LC 28 and 4·5% for LC56).2 We found age to correlate with illness duration overall and in children with illness duration of 28 days or more, consistent with our previous findings in adults.

I don’t doubt the research/article you quoted. It’s surprising that the Trumpster didn’t have more ill effects, considering his “supposed/stated/accused” comorbidities.