Living frugally without hardship: let's share actionable suggestions

I was in the market myself a couple years ago, but for an entire dining room set. New sets in the style we liked would have been closer to the $8000 range. Yikes. Furniture is a real racket, let me tell you…

So, I decided to go the CL route. Looked at about four or so, found one that was pretty decent, and almost pulled the trigger, but decided to check one more. This thing was immaculate, full set, traditional style, good construction. Got the whole set for $1200, chairs, table, large hutch, etc.

I guess my lesson is that CL can be a really good way to obtain furniture, if you spend time looking for quality items, stick to safe areas, and follow safety guidelines. I probably wouldn’t get an upholstered sofa, but wooden stuff, sure!

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Can you provide some more information on the security setup you use? Dropcams? Foscams?

Not sure who that’s to, I must have missed it, but we’ve been using Yi cams for a while throughout the house. They are “ok” but a friend with all Nest stuff around his home says they’re basically the same quality, video wise. Mine were $35 per unit, his were $150?

I have a handful of Foscam C1 cameras that I picked up for about $30 each. They can be used as cameras (duh!) but also as motion sensors within my smart home system (SmartThings).

Several savings tips we use were already mentioned. The wife is an awesome thrift store/craigslist shopper and this alone has saved us thousands of dollars per year. She knows which thrift stores have color tag sales on which days and can maximize, getting 75% off thrift store prices. She could literally replace her entire wardrobe for under $200.

If we do want to buy something retail price from a major store, purchasing discount gift cards for the expected purchase price often saves us 10%-15% and can also be great with store sales. We recently replaced all of our towels with new ones (hadn’t done this in over 10 years) and found a 60% of JC Penny deal with free shipping. Stacked this with ~12% off e-gift cards for over 70% of savings.

We never buy new furniture. CL may have lightly used or worse condition items but wife likes to occasionally cycle our furniture items out every couple years so we have saved a ton of money picking up discounted furniture on CL. Just about everything fits in our van and if it’s particularly large, a U-Haul rental to pick up a $100 item is still huge savings over the $1,000 plus it would have cost new retail. A permanent black marker hides most all dings in wood furniture that we would have eventually created ourselves anyway and if we’re really motivated, re-finishing fabric or a clean coat of stain does wonders.

We are also huge beneficiaries of buying in bulk. When you see a discount or deal (or comparison shop to find the lowest price), we often buy 6 to 12 months worth of that item that we know we’ll eventually use. This especially works well for non-perishable items. For example, I bought 3 years’ worth of deodorant at 90% off at liquidation store. A second freezer/refrigerator in the garage holds a lot of bulk food and drinks. While costly in materials and some labor (I built most of it myself but hired out the last half of the job), I recently built out my attic and added a drop down ladder for an additional ~1,000 square feet of storage space. This also pairs well with the wife’s bulk craigslist pick ups. We have enough free/cheap clothes and school supplies to last our kids until they they turn 18!

This will be limited to people in specific situations, but don’t pay for parking at work/school. Parking is currently ~$40/month where I work. Instead, I park on street and walk. There is some sacrifice of time, and some of safety (but it helps that I drive old crappy-looking cars). The benefit is both in money savings and health (because of the extra walking; I actually park a little farther away from where I work both so I don’t have to hunt for parking and for a little extra exercise).

This is an excellent strategy for electronic goods, IMO. Not only does one pay a fraction of the cost of the “latest and greatest”, but often the bugs affecting initial release have been worked out. Deeper and more balanced reviews of the products are available, making it easier to select the best–fitting product.

I use this strategy regularly with cel phones and laptop computers.

First, if a bank or credit card ever charges you a fee, just call them and request they waive it.
(I’ve never paid a fee in my life).

Also, if you live or work in Manhattan, check out JACKS (32nd & 6th is the best). It’s a grim experience (not really that bad) but they have the best bargains! Most items are 99 cents and i’ve found everything from really well made Nike tees for .99 cents each to boxes of 12 Larabars for $4. Christmas time they have $27 panetone for $3.50.
It’s hit or miss, but if its on your way home, it’s definitely worth checking out…and Trader Joes is not far (on 21st Street).
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When a doctor orders a test, ask for the CPT code & diagnosis code. Then send a secure message to your insurance company asking if the test is fully covered (or what the copay will be).

If your claim is denied, you’ll have their statement in writing, which will help get them to pay.

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  1. Buy reliable used car, one that takes regular unleaded instead of premium. Crown vic if possible
  2. Buy cheap meats and throw into slow cooker. Season with your liking
  3. Lower the thermostat in the winter, and increase it in the summer
  4. Put a 2liter bottle in the toilet tank
  5. Wash clothes every other week unless its really dirty or smelly
    6.Use cold water for laundry, prevents fabric from getting ruined
  6. Dont buy clothes that require dry clean
  7. Invest in duct tape
  8. When ordering iced coffee, ask for ice on the side
  9. Get free meals on your birthday

You’ve mixed some great suggestions that will actually save you a bunch of money with ones that have a small impact and you’d have to consider the effort vs. expense.
Unleaded vs premium - I drive about 10K miles a year and get 25 mpg. At a $0.50, that’s $200/yr. Not nothing, but hardly worth making a car buying decision over it. Versus buying used which can save you a couple thousand a year in depreciation.
Free meal on your birthday - $10/$20 value? Not worth my time to keep track and have to eat at a particular spot.

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Home improvement & repair

When something breaks or needs a seemingly minor repair, I search online and look at YouTube. Has saved me thousands of dollars over time in repair/replacement costs.

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I switched to Obihai, better than Ooma. One time cost of $40 and you get free landline just like Ooma.
Shut down my Vonage service and saved tons of money. Well…actually spent all those savings on vacations to Asia and pacific north west.

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What is the 2L in the toilet tank for?

It’s a ghetto low-flow toilet that way.

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The biggest way to save money is to bring your spouse on board. When you are both in sync the saving process is much more effective and enjoyable.

  • Amazon Wearhouse Deals
  • Craigslist
  • Negotiate internet pricing every year. Switch providers if required
  • Shop around for car insurance every couple of years and switch if required
  • TMobile - 8 lines with 4GB data + 1 data line for about $140 per month after taxes. Shared between 2 families
  • No home phone
  • Netflix - Shared between 2 families - $12 for 4 Screens Premium Plan
  • Amazon Prime shared between 5 friends (grandfathered)
  • Gasoline - Costco or Arco (using gift card bought at Grocery store using credit card)
  • Ebates - $300+ cash back in last 1 year
  • Kohls/Macys - Using coupons stacking/cash-back on sale items
  • Grocery Outlet/Winco/Walmart/Costco for groceries
  • Costco for non perishable consumables using their coupons
  • Amazon (after research)
  • Officemax - Free after rewards items
  • Taking advantage of the FW/SD deals - Keep your eyes open and buy even if you do not need the item immediately but know for sure you will need it later.

—Time consuming items —

For guys that need to wear suits on a regular basis for work, go to SE Asia, like Vietnam or Thailand and get some suits tailored there. Last year I bought 3 suits + 2 shirts made from their more expensive fabric and paid $660. While you can get a low-end suit from a department store for this kind of money, it will not look the same on you, especially if you have an interesting shape, like tall + skinny. If you just need a suit that you wear once in a blue moon to a wedding, those can be had as low as $100.

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Credit agencies’ monthly membership fees. I found that they work just like the telecom companies… when I was in serious credit rebuild years ago I needed to have access to all my credit reports on demand. The standard monthly rate would always get cut in half or more with very little effort when you call and try to cancel.

Just don’t go to Beijing. Bad experience there.

  1. Figure out how frugal you are currently

For those who can do so, track your expenses for a few months, and a year is even better.

I’ve been able to cut expenses dramatically by having just a few categories of expenses. Yours will depend on what your major expenses are, but I suggest the following:

Auto (or Transit for those in metro areas)
Charity (if applicable)
Child Care (if applicable)
Clothing
Debt (if applicable)
Education (SHOULD be applicable - put aside at least some money for self-improvement!)
Entertainment (including Alcohol and… other things)
Food (some people break out Eating Out to see how much they’re spending here)
Health Care
Housing (includes Utlities, Furnishings, Household Supplies, etc.)
Savings
Miscellaneous

You’ll probably be amazed at just how much you spend in some categories. For me, Food, Health Care and Housing are 75% of all my spending. That’s helpful when you want to cut expenses - it’s a lot harder to cut back on a 2% category than a 25% one.

Once you’ve done this, you should create a budget for a full year. No, you don’t have to make it something onerous and tough to keep up, but what gets measured gets done. If you want to lose weight, you normally keep track of your weight and/or calorie count.

  1. Price everything in terms of your after-tax hourly rate

This will help with reducing spending.

Would you pay $10 for a drink if you make $12/hour after taxes and therefore that one drink’s true cost is 50 minutes of work? Maybe, maybe not. But it makes it much more clear.

Large numbers are difficult to comprehend for many people. Spending $25,000 on a car, if you make $20/hour after-tax (a great rate of pay!) means that your $25K car really cost you 1,250 work hours, or more than 6 months of full-time work. In fact, it’s much worse than that, because if your discretionary cash (i.e. after you pay for rent, utilities, etc.) is 20% of what you make, you’re then spending as much as 3 years of discretionary income for that vehicle!

Conversely, some things that seem expensive may make more sense. A $200 pair of shoes that lasts for several years may cost you a full day’s work (at $25/hr) or even two days’ work (at $12.50), but if your feet don’t hurt because of the quality of the shoes, then that may actually make a lot more sense than dropping $50 or $100 on a dinner vs. going to Chipotle or cooking at home.

Try this with everything for a month and see if it changes how you approach life. You’ll start to see thrift stores, garage sales, clearances, etc. in a whole new light: As giving you back hours of your life.

  1. Cultivate spontaneity and a taste for flexibility

If you can be spotaneous and flexible, you will be able to take advantage of a lot of sales/promotions that will open you to new experiences.

Just out of my first job, Southwest Airlines offered a $30 round trip flight to St. Louis on Labor Day. I had never been to St. Louis, so I researched online and found out that there was a lot to do. So I flew in very early on Labor Day, took the subway-like system they had into downtown, and used local buses to visit: St. Louis’s two cathedrals, the site of the Dred Scott decision, the famous Gateway Arch, the St. Louis Zoo and a museum. And on the way back to the airport, I stumbled across an outdoor jazz festival, so I spent an hour hanging out and listening to great music for free. Total cost of this trip: less than $100, which included my food, transportation (air and ground), parking at the airport and a ticket in the Arch.

Likewise, your smartphone is your best friend. So many places offer deals and specials on the Smartphone - fast food restaurants certainly (McDonald’s free fries on Friday, free drink with any purchase, etc.) - but also using Groupon when wandering around can open up new avenues you might not otherwise consider. A new play, a contemporary museum, opera, classical music festival, whatever.

  1. Decide what you like and ignore what others think you should like

Pretty basic for FWF refugees, but uncommon in larger society. I own a 10 year old Toyota, an upgrade from my 20 year old Toyota I owned until last year. I’m an executive and I get ribbed from time to time, but I also pay less in total expenses for my car in a year than some of my colleagues pay in a month. I wear thrift shop clothing in many cases, including buying ties and even sport jackets there. Instead of expensive nights out in pricey bars, I play board games with like-minded friends.

If you like pricey things, go to step 2 above and ask yourself: Why? Is it worth it? Can I get equal pleasure from something that costs a whole lot less? Can I become an adventurous individual who tries new, cheap (or free) things that expand my capacity to enjoy life without heavy spending? Money is fungible - if watching a movie in the theater is a true thrill, then enjoy it. But if you have almost as much fun for 1/20 the cost, then keep the theater experience for dates or special occasions and pocket the difference, either to save or to spend on something important to you or to give to those less fortunate.

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