The 2020 USA POTUS election politics, the civil war, and the world war (Part 1)

Trump’s club charged Secret Service agents $500 a night for rentals even when it was closed for the pandemic

Taxpayers’ bills for Trump Organization properties have surpassed $1.1 million…

As the Post has consistently reported via Secret Service bills, President Trump and his administration have repeatedly funneled government money to the family’s properties throughout his term. That has included above-market rates for rentals that ensured Secret Service agents stayed close to Trump and, most recently, payments to one club that was closed for the COVID-19 pandemic, the Post 's David Fahrenthold reports via the latest round of receipts and invoices.

Troubling story. The situation in Oregon, Portland in particular, has been out of control for some time. I’ve watched interviews with the Governor and Mayor there. Both are total wack jobs, not unlike the people who elected them. It’s the kind of insanity those people want to impose on the rest of America. Am so glad I don’t live anywhere near there I could spit.

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Trump has done one thing - state that he had final say over the decisions. To which half the nation roared back “We call the shots, you trying to would be infringing on states rights and unconstitutional.”

After that, I’m not sure how you can keep blaming him for anything.

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The bill would include a fresh round of $1,200 stimulus checks, expanded federal unemployment aid at $450 per week until states could adopt a more complicated system that would provide up to $600 a week (as long as it didn’t exceed a worker’s former salary), reopen the Paycheck Protection Program and provide additional funding for state and local governments.

Pelosi panned the legislation and rejected calls from moderate Democrats to hold a vote on the smaller relief bill.

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The takeaway? Expecting people to follow the rules is racist.

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Yeah, idk why the Democrats want to disenfranchise all these poor minorities by lying to them about how unsafe voting is in person when you can still go to the grocery store (or protest) in person. Filling out mail-in ballots is not super obvious or easy, and I have known relatives who screwed it up and went to vote in person instead. First time vote-by-mail voters are obviously much more likely to make mistakes that may disqualify their vote.

Of course on the bright side, restricting voting rights to those capable of following basic instructions might well improve the quality of our elected officials.

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The first time I voted in Oregon -which has universal vote by mail-, my ballot was rejected because my signature didn’t match what the state had on file. It’s very convenient but not necessarily simple.

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That’s not the takeaway I got from 538. It says more democrats will be first time mail ballots because trumpers are scared by the president, and first time obviously may make more mistakes. And in that area they looked at, a higher percentage of black voters had ballots with initial issues(which follows because almost none of those vote for party of Trump).
So we need to look at improving the process.

It’s hard to compare vs. In person, there is no stat to see how many people misused the touchscreens and didn’t vote how they intended, or for how many people passed up voting because their polling place was intentionally understaffed or distant because their state government wants to suppress the vote in their immediate area based on its demographics. So it’s not possible to determine which has more problems by ONLY looking at mailed ballots. Which incidentally have a better audit trail to find and fix defects in the process. Long term, it seems great from the standpoint that you can examine how many ballots have issues and work on process improvement.

Escaping from China… I listened to this lady talk on Fox’s Tucker the other evening. I wondered about her family left back in China. She was married to another virologist & after much discussion he decided not to leave.

Even here in the USA, will we hear any more from this brave women? Perhaps with the help Guo Wengui foundation she will have help.

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Sure about that?

Stable genius and his kids can’t figure out registration and voting in person. Even when he was 16 years less geriatric.

Stable genius makes fraudulent applications for mail in ballots.

His wife and daughter can’t figure out how to properly fill out simple paperwork either:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/364440-melania-ivanka-trumps-2017-votes-wont-count-due-to-issues-with-absentee

Of course, in stable genius’s case it must be someone else’s fault…

Well I do live near the coast and even though I suspected it could be a nautical term, it did not make sense until glitch finally explained it :smile:.

I suspect the only reason many of us thought it was referring to the military unit was because we’ve discussed Nazis earlier in the thread, so our minds were “primed” for that, not for an obscure sitcom reference.

Have you not been reading what shinobi has been posting? He was threatening a civil war before the riots started. Have you seen the title of this thread?

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Having those examples not voting due to ballot incompetence doesn’t seem inconsistent with my previous contention.

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RIP.

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Pretty sad. Cancer sucks. Seems like she made it to a further age than many though, and a long list of accomplishments and great that he family was with her.

Didn’t originally figure the news fit this thread when I saw it.

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Well, yeah. It’s gotta be the process that’s fixed, because expecting minorities to follow instructions is racist.

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I thought baseless conspiracy theories were bad? Or is that only true in one direction?

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what direction? Different state and/or local governments suppress different demographics… Just like gerrymandering can be found by the hand of representatives of both of the two major parties.

It shouldn’t be only either a left or right, liberal or conservative interest to recognize and endeavor to reduce voter suppression.

But the consequences will fit.

I’m curious on what the reactions will be - she should be respected for her service and contributions, even if you completely disagree with her contributions.

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No such thing. The thread title here is indicative of my belief we already are in a (albeit mostly cold so far) civil war.

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