The 2020 USA POTUS election politics, the civil war, and the world war (Part 1)

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Regarding illegal aliens, Trump said

Donald Trump: (02:17)

The bill also allows stimulus checks for the family members of illegal aliens, allowing them to get up to $1,800 each. This is far more than the Americans are given…

which seems to be true, fact checks aside, but not exactly what you might have thought from the headline.

It seems families with illegal aliens were not eligible for the last stimulus, while now if one of the parents is legal (alien or otherwise), they can get this round and also the last round’s money too, plus more for their kids. I wasn’t able to see anyone saying whether the kids had to be legal or not to get paid. Here’s another summary of the situation.

Undocumented immigrants or other non-citizens who do not have Social Security numbers and file individual tax returns would still not be entitled to stimulus checks under this week’s agreement. U.S. citizen children without a parent with a Social Security number would also remain ineligible for the aid.

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“Either you agree with me, or you are a terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad sorry excuse for a human being.” There’s no allowance for the fact that people simply disagree about what’s best.

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Regarding foreigners, I think this was in reference to the extensive foreign aid put into the latest covid bill, or perhaps more precisely in the covid bill + omnibus stimulus bill which the Democrats were insisting on being voted on jointly.

Donald Trump: (00:31)
For example, among the more than 5,000 pages in this bill, which nobody in Congress has read because of its length and complexity, it’s called the COVID Relief Bill, but it has almost nothing to do with COVID. This bill contains $85.5 million for assistance to Cambodia, $134 million to Burma, $1.3 billion for Egypt and the Egyptian military, which will go out and buy almost exclusively Russian military equipment. $25 million for democracy and gender programs in Pakistan, $505 million to Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama. $40 million for the Kennedy Center in Washington, DC, which is not even open for business. $1 billion for the Smithsonian and an additional $154 million for the National Gallery of Art. Likewise, these facilities are essentially not open.

Here’s more coverage of the extensive pork, including foreign aid, in the proposal.

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Not Christmas.

But POTUS has ten days to act on what Congress has done. However, that ten day interval does not commence until the legislation is formally submitted to the executive.

With the porkulus bill, as of yesterday, that had not yet happened in the afternoon. I could be off by a day. But I think yesterday was the last day they (Congress) had to “get 'er done”. You see:

  1. If Trump does nothing during the ten days and

  2. If the Congressional term ends during that ten day interval then

The legislation dies without Trump having done anything at all.

The Congressional term ends on January 3, 2021, which is a Sunday. On that day the 116th Congress passes into history and exists no longer.

ETA

OK, here is a bit more detail from the Constitution of the United States of America:

The Presentment Clause, which is contained in Article I, Section 7, Clauses 2 and 3, provides:

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law. Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

So we find there that Sundays do not count. I have not figured the days with precision. But it is safe to say we are getting very, very close. :wink:

ETA

I’ve had yet another look. Way I read the calendar:

Even if Congress formally presented the porkulus to POTUS yesterday, he can kill it without doing a thing. This is because the Constitution carves out Sundays, which I did not realize at first. Way I see it, the ten days is up on January 4, 2021. And by then the 116th Congress will be no more.

It has been observed that Trump plays chess while others are playing checkers. He was silent and announced his objections only very belatedly. Have to wonder if Trump has been aware of this Constitutional wrinkle all along. :grinning:

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Xerty is correct. I later learned illegals remain ineligible. However:

With their families now eligible, and with the retroactive benefits for those same family members provided they be citizens, this current porkulus is wildly beneficial and encouraging to and for illegals. More will learn of this and be motivated to come here for the “free money”. Consider:

Even if momma and poppa are illegal, they have only to drop a newborn on our side of the border and they will instantly qualify for more free money than they have seen in their lifetimes. This at a time when a massive pandemic has spread across the land, many legal Americans are really hurting, and when our country is bankrupt and falling ever farther into the black hole of unrecoverable debt.

This sort of thing is unvarnished insanity. And Biden is supporting it without reservation.

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I can only imagine the (feigned) outrage should he fire those responsible for allowing the breech(es), since it’d (stupidly and treasonously) impair our ability to clean up the mess. I’m sure he’d be (accused of) intentionally ensuring Russia had ongoing unfettered access to all our secrets.

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Boris

A wonderful victory just announced. We Conservatives and nationalists might (or might not, but it’s not looking good) have lost with Trump here in the USA, but Boris has come through in the UK!!

Great Britain is great once again, free finally from the shackles of Brussels and the EU. The British people voted for today’s outcome all the way back in 2016. It has taken this long for their dream to come true. From that you can glean some notion of the power and stubbornness of the elite liberal globalists who fought tooth and nail against the British people’s will for four years!

We must continue the fight against globalism here in the USA as well, and a Biden ascension to the big chair will surely not help and is a setback. But take heart from today’s outcome in Great Britain. If they can take their country back we, too, can and we eventually will defeat the leftists, make America great again, and ensure our magnificent Constitution never is subordinated to any external power, doctrine, or control whatsoever!

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Don’t throw Boris into the refuse bin with Golfing-grifter-in-chief and his felons. Boris is nothing like Trump.

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How you got that from what I wrote is completely beyond my ken.

Merry Christmas anyway.

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Thanks for that, but you have got to stop providing Trump quotes. He’s a liar through and through. $1.3B aid to Egypt sounds unreasonable, but it’s probably because there’s a lot more to it. The NYPost article doesn’t even mention Egypt. I see lots of pork on that list, but just because some of our national institutions are closed, doesn’t mean they don’t need the money.

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You made it sound like Boris is to UK as Trump is to USA. But as we mentioned many times here, one big difference is that Boris only pretends to be an idiot. They do not belong in the same bucket.

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Ehh… more importantly, Boris has not evidenced similar levels of corruption.

Anyways… Mob boss in chief having a nice vacation after pardoning more of his felon associates.

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Nearly a year, eh? Doesnt that work out to about 2 rounds every day, every single day, for four years straight?

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Stimulus funny money

A small percentage of the population said they thought it would be way more efficient for the economy if the government just didn’t take the money in the first place. These people were shouted down as “libertarian conspiracy theorist wackos” and told to move to Somalia.

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Accidentally told the truth

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In case you want an alternative perspective on that situation and some back story.

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Alternative as in imaginary and back story as in “fiction”? Yes the fbi just made it all up, they fabricated evidence that would hurt the US. The US military lied too, also intentending to harm US reputation. And the US courts were corrupt, too! Everyone is deep state. Except the felons, they’re all swell.

“Three weeks after the attack, the FBI went into that busy square, spent less than two weeks investigating, and then emerged to announce that the Blackwater guys committed manslaughter and “weapons violations.” We know now that the FBI is a Deep State hotbed of leftism and anti-Americanism.”

Are you agreeing with the core premise above from the linked blog post? Or just saying “Someones saying this, so you have to consider it, not that I’m saying it’s true or not”

Lol. Wiki has good summary/ reference of some of the blog’s past. Probably a few here on the same page. I’ve personally heard succession nonsense recently from someone.

A related smart meter conspiracy theory actually came up at the local Senate District GOP caucus as a proposal to add to the party platform in 2012, but was rejected 99% by an affirmation down-vote.

"In 2009, in the wake of the election of Barack Obama, the American Thinker joined a wave of conservative media publications discussing the possibility of a second Civil War. They forecast the possibility of “several regional republics” emerging following the “overbearing, oppressive leviathan” of Obama’s presidency.[6]

A column in the American Thinker caused stir over a California plan to require programmable thermostats that could be controlled by officials in the event of power-supply difficulties.[7]

Right Wing Watch points out that American Thinker has published a complimentary piece on white nationalist Jared Taylor, and asserted that rainbow-colored Doritos are a "gateway snack to introduce children to the joys of homosexuality".[8] In a 2020 blog post on the site, Thomas Lifson referenced a paper published in Geophysical Research Letters to claim that sea level rise has been slow and constant, and that this rise pre-dated industrialization.[9] This claim went viral over social media in March 2020. The author of the paper describes this interpretation as factually incorrect, constituting climate misinformation.[10]"

Edit: also, Holy redneck-ad-infested website. Popovers, popunders, camo gear, soft porn ad, car tires, and election fraud conspiracy “polls”.

Not being combative but wow. What seems to be attacking cleared employees in the FBI and the entire Justice department and military in defense of convicted murderers with no evidence except “we all know the fbi is corrupt and the military lied, too! Deep state!” seems pretty offensive to me. Yes, people are free to make such claims, but other people are free to dismiss them.

But the rainbow colored Doritos, on the other hand, maybe they’re on to something? Gateway snack?

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I don’t have a view on the Blackwater situation, I just figure if Argyll posted it, you certainly need to consider the other side of it.

“We know now that the FBI is a Deep State hotbed of leftism and anti-Americanism.”

You disagree with their comment? Crossfire Hurricane seemed like a pretty good example of this to me, where the whole basis of spying on Trump et al was made up by Peter Strzok, whose incriminating texts later exposed him as a leftist anti-American and got him fired.

Holy redneck-ad-infested website

I guess I have enough ad blockers (several browser ones like Purify, as well as proxy level ones), including my custom Russian and anti-American propaganda blocker means I can read many news sources without accidentally seeing any propaganda. It’s useful for reading Zerohedge for their relevant content, although admittedly most of CNN, NYT and WashPo are unreadable :wink:

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False. That was NOT the conclusion of the IG report. Tweets making claims are not facts. Yes, Trump’s appointee was ordered to fire him, against the recommendations from the relevant FBI departments.

That’s some spin, sure you can go with it. I guess the investigation was all deep state too since it concluded nothing of the sort. Nothing was found except criticism of creating the appearance of impropriety (and only indirectly, since it was not Strzock who made the texts public) No bias was found in his work. FBI guidelines allow agents to have individual political opinions. Professionalism is what matters, fulfilling job duties. They’re people, not robots. And it’s hilarious to claim the texts of the one agent means the fbi is a hotbed of leftists. Nevermind there were also Strzok texts critical of the Obama administration. I guess if it’s a leftist hotbed and he was critical of the Obama administration, that makes Obama a Conservative? (Well, in reality, he was much more conservative than the new Trump party… but I digress.)

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