The 2020 USA POTUS election politics, the civil war, and the world war (Part 1)

I didn’t say it was, I said it was the conclusion from looking at his actual texts to the (also fired) FBI lawyer Page with whom he was having an affair. As loyal to the President as he was to his wife it seems…

August 8, 2016: In response to Lisa Page’s text, “[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!” Strzok replied: “No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it.”

I dunno about that. But at the top late in 2016 and on into 2017 they certainly did not think much of President Trump or the people, like me, who helped him to become POTUS. Heck it wasn’t just the FBI. Trump was despised and disrespected from the get go by most of the deep state potentates.

I had that exact word-for-word exchange verbally with another voter at the Primary, while waiting in the 80 minute line to vote…

(TX did vote against him, he lost the primary, but the media got trump elected.)

Yeah but you’re not the #2 dude at the FBI.

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At least I assume you’re not. I mean, you could be. You hate Trump enough to be in that position.

They were private text messages in conversation between individuals, which FBI policy allows agents to express political opinions as individuals.
Unlike the unprecedented number of Hatch Act violations the past four years, with no disciplinary actions.

The words quoted are not damming at all, they’re innocuous. It’s not the same as saying “we’ll do [insert illegal act] to prevent it”. The general statement that the collective voters will not elect him is a normal way to allay dismay of the possibility the POS would be elected. The IG investigation found no indication of bias in fulfillment of his work.

So what you had was a large number of deep state actors who had been riding high since at least the Bush administration, having their way, doing things their way, thinking they were hot stuff and God’s gift to the USA. Then along comes this upstart loudmouth, Trump, who announces he is gonna clean house.

That announcement did not go over well, and did not win Trump a lot of friends, among the haughty, unelected, deep state potentates. They fought back any way they could to save their own bacon. Now Trump in all likelihood is good as gone, the deep state continues to rule, and we very shortly will be back to business as usual which I assume will make your kind happy.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/behind-trump-clemency-case-study-130539462.html

“Esformes, 52, a nursing home operator, was sentenced to 20 years in prison for the two-decade scheme that involved an estimated $1.3 billion worth of fraudulent claims.

That prison term ended suddenly this week, when President Donald Trump commuted what remained of Esformes’ sentence."

A smart friend of mine who is a moderate liberal asked why I was not recognizing Joe Biden’s victory.

The friend made the case that Mr. Biden had gotten more votes, and historically we recognize the person with the most votes. Normally, we accept the outcome of elections just as we accept the outcomes of sporting events.

So, my friend asked why was 2020 different?

Having spent more than four years watching the left #Resist President Donald Trump and focus entirely on undoing and undermining the 2016 election, it took me several days to understand the depth of my own feelings.

As I thought about it, I realized my anger and fear were not narrowly focused on votes. My unwillingness to relax and accept that the election grew out of a level of outrage and alienation unlike anything I had experienced in more than 60 years involvement in public affairs.

The challenge is that I — and other conservatives — are not disagreeing with the left within a commonly understood world. We live in alternative worlds.

The left’s world is mostly the established world of the forces who have been dominant for most of my life.

My world is the populist rebellion which believes we are being destroyed, our liberties are being cancelled and our religions are under assault. (Note the new Human Rights Campaign to decertify any religious school which does not accept secular sexual values — and that many Democrat governors have kept casinos open while closing churches though the COVID-19 pandemic.) We also believe other Democrat-led COVID-19 policies have enriched the wealthy while crushing middle class small business owners (some 160,000 restaurants may close).

In this context, let’s talk first about the recent past and the presidency.

In 2016, I supported an outsider candidate, who was rough around the edges and in the Andrew Jackson school of controversial assaults on the old order. When my candidate won, it was blamed on the Russians. We now know (four years later) Hillary Clinton’s own team financed the total lie that fueled this attack.

Members of the FBI twice engaged in criminal acts to help it along — once in avoiding prosecution of someone who had deleted 33,000 emails and had a subordinate use a hammer to physically destroy hard drives, and a second time by lying to FISA judges to destroy Gen. Michael Flynn and spy on then-candidate Donald Trump and his team. The national liberal media aided and abetted every step of the way. All this was purely an attempt to cripple the new president and lead to the appointment of a special counsel — who ultimately produced nothing.

Now, people in my world are told it is time to stop resisting and cooperate with the new president. But we remember that the Democrats wanted to cooperate with Mr. Trump so much that they began talking about his impeachment before he even took office. The Washington Post ran a story on Democrat impeachment plots the day of the inauguration.

In fact, nearly 70 Democratic lawmakers boycotted his inauguration. A massive left-wing demonstration was staged in Washington the day after, where Madonna announced she dreamed of blowing up the White House to widespread applause. These same forces want me to cooperate with their new president. I find myself adopting the Nancy Pelosi model of constant resistance. Nothing I have seen from Mr. Biden since the election offers me any hope that he will reach out to the more than 74 million Americans who voted for President Trump.

So, I am not reacting to the votes so much as to the whole election environment.

When Twitter and Facebook censored the oldest and fourth largest newspaper (founded by Alexander Hamilton) because it accurately reported news that could hurt Mr. Biden’s chances — where were The New York Times and The Washington Post?

The truth of the Hunter Biden story is now becoming impossible to avoid or conceal. The family of the Democrat nominee for president received at least $5 million from an entity controlled by our greatest adversary. It was a blatant payoff, and most Americans who voted for Mr. Biden never heard of it — or were told before the election it was Russian disinformation. Once they did hear of it, 17% said they would have switched their votes, according to a poll by the Media Research Center. That’s the entire election. The censorship worked exactly as intended.

Typically, newspapers and media outlets band together when press freedom is threatened by censorship. Where was the sanctimonious “democracy dies in darkness?” Tragically, The Washington Post is now part of the darkness.

But this is just a start. When Twitter censors four of five Rush Limbaugh tweets in one day, I fear for the country.

When these monolithic Internet giants censor the president of the United States, I fear for the country.

When I see elite billionaires like Mark Zuckerburg are able to spend $400 million to hire city governments to maximize turnout in specifically Democratic districts — without any regard to election spending laws or good governance standards — I fear for the country.

When I read that Apple has a firm rule of never irritating China — and I watch the NBA kowtow to Beijing, I fear for our country.

When I watch story after story about election fraud being spiked — without even the appearance of journalistic due diligence or curiosity — I know something is sick.

The election process itself was the final straw in creating the crisis of confidence which is accelerating and deepening for many millions of Americans.

Aside from a constant stream of allegations of outright fraud, there are some specific outrages — any one of which was likely enough to swing the entire election.

Officials in virtually every swing state broke their states’ own laws to send out millions of ballots or ballot applications to every registered voter. It was all clearly documented in the Texas lawsuit, which was declined by the U.S. Supreme Court based on Texas’ procedural standing — not the merits of the case. That’s the election.

In addition, it’s clear that virtually every swing state essentially suspended normal requirements for verifying absentee ballots. Rejection rates were an order of magnitude lower than in a normal year. In Georgia, rejection rates dropped from 6.5% in 2016 to 0.2% in 2020. In Pennsylvania, it went from 1% in 2016 to .003% in 2020. Nevada fell from 1.6% to .75%. There is no plausible explanation other than that they were counting a huge number of ballots — disproportionately for Mr. Biden — that normally would not have passed muster. That’s the election.

The entire elite liberal media lied about the timeline of the COVID-19 vaccine. They blamed President Trump for the global pandemic even as he did literally everything top scientists instructed. In multiple debates, the moderators outright stated that he was lying about the U.S. having a vaccine before the end of the year (note Vice President Mike Pence received it this week). If Americans had known the pandemic was almost over, that too was likely the difference in the election.

The unanimously never-Trump debate commission spiked the second debate at a critical time in order to hurt President Trump. If there had been one more debate like the final one, it likely would have been pivotal.

This is just the beginning. But any one of those things alone is enough for Trump supporters to think we have been robbed by a ruthless establishment — which is likely to only get more corrupt and aggressive if it gets away with these blatant acts.

For more than four years, the entire establishment mobilized against the elected president of the United States as though they were an immune system trying to kill a virus. Now, they are telling us we are undermining democracy.

You have more than 74 million voters who supported President Trump despite everything — and given the election mess, the number could easily be significantly higher. The truth is tens of millions of Americans are deeply alienated and angry.

If Mr. Biden governs from the left — and he will almost certainly be forced to — that number will grow rapidly, and we will win a massive election in 2022.

Given this environment, I have no interest in legitimizing the father of a son who Chinese Communist Party members boast about buying. Nor do I have any interest in pretending that the current result is legitimate or honorable. It is simply the final stroke of a four-year establishment-media power grab. It has been perpetrated by people who have broken the law, cheated the country of information, and smeared those of us who believe in America over China, history over revisionism, and the liberal ideal of free expression over cancel culture.

I write this in genuine sorrow, because I think we are headed toward a serious, bitter struggle in America. This extraordinary, coordinated four-year power grab threatens the fabric of our country and the freedom of every American.

— Newt Gingrich

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Thanks Newt. Such perfect insight.

We Conservatives can now wait for 2022 election. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kamila sitting in the special chair by then, so it could get worse.

When I started reading this article, I thought shinobi was the author. As I read on, I wondered if we had a genus in our means. Not to say shinobi is not, but he is also a wonderful scholar.

So we end another Christmas.

Yeah, I was going to post Newt’s article as it makes a lot of good points. Below is Pat Buchanan’s on Democracy going forward along similar lines.
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If America were a company and not a country, we would have long ago dissolved the corporation, split the blanket, and gone our separate ways.

What still holds this disputatious and divided people together?

Consider. In announcing the $900 billion stimulus bill to deal with the pandemic, Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not mention that the gifts for her distressed countrymen and women at Christmas would have been twice as large had she taken President Trump’s offer of $1.8 trillion in October.

Why did the speaker slap that offer away?

“The President only wants his name on a check to go out before Election Day and for the market to go up,” she told House Democrats.

Rather than let Donald Trump take credit, Pelosi stiffed millions of Americans.

Sunday, however, the speaker took time for a statement to hail the removal of Robert E. Lee’s statue from Statuary Hall. “Welcome news,” said the speaker. “Congress will continue our work to rid the Capitol of homages to hate.”

Lee had stood in a place of honor in the Capitol for decades. When exactly did the statue of the general become a homage to hate?

Both episodes point up an unpleasant truth.

Our dysfunctional American family agrees upon less and less.

By mid-November, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll, 52% of Republicans thought Donald Trump had “rightfully won.” Sixty-eight percent of Republicans thought the election was “rigged.” A third of independents, and even 10% of Democrats, agreed.

This month, a Fox poll found that a third of all registered voters believe the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, with 78% of those who voted for Trump expressing that view.

In the long term, not only is the election of 2020 going to be suspect. Also, belief in one of the sacraments of secular democracy, universal suffrage, is going to suffer.

Moreover, the issues that divide us now go increasingly to the faith of what defines us as a nation and a people.

A slice of our intellectual elite emphatically agrees with the New York Times’ Project 1619, which decrees that the real birth date of this nation was neither 1776 nor 1789, but the year that the first slave ship arrived in Virginia.

To this influential cohort, enslavement of Black people brought from Africa and dispossession and destruction of the indigenous tribes that European settlers found here are the defining events of our history.

And all who participated in these crimes against humanity or refused to condemn them are undeserving of exaltation.

Not only Lee, but Columbus and Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Jackson, TR and Wilson are all racist white men whose disgraceful and even criminal conduct disqualifies them from a place of honor in the American pantheon of 2020. All statues of such men need to come down to cleanse us of the stain of having honored them.

Pelosi says that such statues are “homages to hate.”

She may not have thought so five or 10 years ago, but she believes that now.

What has taken place is a mass conversion.

Yet, there is another America that still cherishes the nation these men created. And, as did their fathers, grandfathers and ancestors, these Americans have shown a willingness to fight and die in her defense.

Thus do we Americans disagree on the most fundamental of issues.

Was America, is America, with all its sins and virtues and all its achievements, a country to be cherished, loved and defended? Or is America a country of whose history we should all be ashamed?

Part of America also believes that discovery in the Constitution of a woman’s right to an abortion and a right of homosexuals to marry were major milestones of progress toward a more moral America.

Others see these as long strides away from the Christian country we used to be, a social and moral decline toward the same quiet death that has come to other civilizations and nations that went before us.

In short, we Americans disagree on whether our country is a good and great nation worth defending, or a place that needs a deep cultural cleansing of its sins.

And we have no common code of morality. One side is rooted in modernism and secularism and the other in the teachings of the Old and New Testament, Christian tradition and a natural law written on the human heart that is superior to man-made law.

People who disagree upon such basic beliefs naturally drift apart, as we Americans are doing today.

Political questions arise out of these fundamental differences, and they are not insignificant.

Can a republic as fractured and splintered as ours is — racially, ethnically, politically, culturally, morally — with a population who do not share the same belief about whether their nation is good and great or failed and evil, endure? And for how long?

What successful models from history do we see of nations that took the kind of risks we are taking with our republic?

Patrick J. Buchanan

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So I see that’s apparently putting Trump supporters squarely in the “secularism” camp as opposed to the rest of the country in the other camp following the teachings of the New Testament and natural law, but I don’t see how Trump fits with “modernism”, whatever that refers to?

Definitely a fundamental difference.

But then the whole rambling is pretty nonsensical. The Bible reference to “law written in their hearts” is referring directly to virtuous non-Christians and how morality doesn’t depend on imposing religion on others, and calling out the people purporting to be Christians but not following even the basics (putting others first). The passage indicates those non- Christians who are otherwise virtuous are going to heaven with no need for being “believers” (since God is ‘good’, they’re implicitly following God’s will regardless of not following any of the church’s rules)but that the fake Christians who claim to believe but don’t actually live the teachings are not entitled to be saved just because they profess “belief”.

Buchanan seems to be making clear he hasn’t read or understood the Bible and is just using it as a political prop.
Fits well with a person that uses chemical weapons on peaceful civilians to clear a walking pathway to insult a church with a photo op of him holding a Bible upside down.

I think the reluctance to listen to Putin Today et al is exactly the difference in agenda. When it comes to that, you can at least give it to media to push for what they believe (wrongly or not, I’m not taking sides) is best for the US. But what is Putin Today’s agenda when it comes to spreading news about the US like these? A conscience-driven eternal search for truth? Helping every day American out of the goodness of his heart? Or finding as many potential wedges to increase divisions and undermine democracy in a country they still considering their enemy?

How come these real RT journalists are so frantic about finding these “truths” in US politics but do very little of substance when it comes to internal Russian politics. Curious how selective the righteousness. Or is it because Russia is so much cleaner than the US in its politics. Or maybe it’s just healthier and safer for these real journalists to read the script passed on to you by the FSB.

Personally, I’d rather go with ad revenue-driven journalism than help promote or even just listen to Putin’s agenda. I can accept the lure of money and profit. Russia’s agenda? Heck no! I know where that goes. My family lived under its oppression and manipulations for way too long.

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And the biggest one they found? The inexplicable objection to any and all information that can possibly be infered to have come from Russia, regardless of it’s accuracy. When they know that half the country will automatically demand such info be ignored, and anyone who wants to look at the information itself before making judgement be labeled as ‘stupid’, they dont even have to bother putting the effort into concoting anything fake - hack to find true information to bait half the country, label it with a Russian source to bait the other half, and watch the hilarity ensue as both halfs see every reason to dig in.

Pursuant to my recent up-thread post, Trump at this hour continues to play cat and mouse with Congress. President Trump is the cat and he has them by their tails:

Trump has done nothing, which is precisely the correct move. If he vetoes the porkulus in time, Congress can override his veto. But they cannot act in absence of a veto. Of course after ten days the bill would become law beneath normal circumstances. But that is not true if Congress is adjourned. And there is no more final form of adjournment than dissolution of the Congress itself!! :rofl:

So will Trump blow it by actually vetoing the bill in time for the current Congress to override his veto? Stay tuned.

For those living in an alternative universe, with alternative facts, and alternative medicine:

For background, the Queen delivers a Christmas speech on the BBC every year, and Channel 4 had accompanied the Queen’s traditional speech with an “alternative Christmas message” since 1993. Here’s the non-alternative one:

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Great idea. I second that the nutso Drumpf supporters should boycott the runoff. It’s the only way Drumpf might stay in office!

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According to his description of the “algorithm”, the election could report negative counts for GOP candidates. :crazy_face: :crazy_face:

I see. The programmers who wrote software to commit fraud without leaving a trace just forgot including a few lines of code to ensure reported counts are always greater than zero. These krakens think people are just as idiotic as they’re.

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Yes, don’t like this. Big mistake, my thinking Lin Wood was an ok attorney. Never again!!

Sorry folks… In past times he handled some big cases & won. He had a melt down this time. :disappointed: