"The president is heard pressuring Raffensperger to “find 11,780 votes” that would put him in the lead over President-elect Joe Biden in Georgia, which has already certified its results.
Trump also threatens Raffensperger with the possibility of criminal charges unless he comes up with the votes to overturn the election results."
“We have both a criminal president of the United States in Donald Trump and a subversive president of the United States at the same time in this one person.”
“It is the tape with the evidence of what this president is willing to do to undermine the electoral system and illegally, improperly and immorally try to instigate a coup.”
No No No the criminal is Joe Biden. Dems are alien invaders from Mars. Also, Down is up and up is down.
Very true. Joe Biden along with his family worked with China etc. BIG BUSINESS!
Biden VP gaining millions of $$ & he lies that he never knew anything of Hunters business.
Joe Biden was the Big Guy in the business.
Lol over 2 minutes of not answering the same repeated question… on fox ‘news’…
Joe Biden was also born in Kenya so he cant be President.
Repeating a lie over and over again does not make it true. Dictators all over the world have used this tactic to convince the non-critical thinker to believe in all sorts of horseshit.
But Trump is really not a dictator, just a sad little man child that has never accepted that he can lose anything. He doesn’t care about anyone other than himself, and all of this nonsense is being driven by that…
That quoted statement is true. Millions do believe that.
Millions also (still) believe the moon landing was faked. You can even find millions who believe the earth is flat.
Heck, even I believe the creator buried dinosaur bones just to confuse people. (But only on the discworld, not on Earth…)
Was talking about the lie behind the statement of course.
And screaming BASELESS! over and over isnt going to change anyone’s mind, it only reinforces the perception that there’s something to hide.
The root of the issue that that both sides have done little more than assert “I’m right, and you have to just believe me!”
No, there is no equivalence here on both sides.
Let’s recap, for those watching at home:
Can you really look yourself in the mirror and believe all this crap?
In too many instances these court cases were cast aside, by the courts, because of technicalities and not on the merits. The courts too often went out of their way to avoid having to rule on matters needing their attention and entirely within their purview.
In GA, for example, the Secretary of State there entered into a consent agreement, with Democrats, which impacted voting in that state. One problem: The GA Secretary of State is not empowered to enter into such agreements. Only the GA legislature can change voting rules.
In PA, for example, courts there changed voting rules. But according to the PA Constitution only the PA legislature is so empowered.
There are other similar examples, in other states, of voting rule changes outside the authority of those doing the changing. Too often the excuse for these changes was the pandemic. But pandemics do not alter Constitutions.
Clearly such matters as the aforementioned merit court oversight, and in particular SCOTUS oversight. This has not yet come to pass.
In an entirely separate matter:
The issue of vote fraud has, indeed, been subjected to court examination. And I agree insufficient evidence has been presented so far, at trial, to support Trump’s assertions. If such fraud exists, of a magnitude sufficient to alter the outcome of the election in Trump’s favor, I seriously doubt anyone will step forward at this point, admit their guilt, and give Trump thereby his rightful victory. This because Democrats believe victory is more important than honesty.
But you left out how y’all have been screaming BASELESS! for the past 6 months, long before any of that happened. Which did nothing but drill in the message “we’re stacking the deck, and there wont be anything you can do about it”. Every thing you listed is from the aftermath, and merely shows that you are going to get away with it.
I predicted this mess last summer, it was blatantly obvious and inevitable - when you refuse to address concerns about the process and instead very curtly dismiss them, the process will never have credibility in the eyes of those expressing the concerns. When people think something is being hidden in the shadows, the only solution is to turn a light on those shadows. A dismissive “How dare you try to look there! Just trust us, there’s nothing to see!” is only going to validate the belief that something is being hidden. When it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, you have to show people what it is if you want them to believe that it’s anything other than a duck.
The only thing I myself believe is that everyone involved is a bunch of blowhards. But I do understand why so many believe there’s a lot of stink to this situation.
Blowback should be expected. It’s really pervasive when “I did what I wanted regardless of the law” is casually accepted, while any argument attacking those unilateral, unlawful decisions is dismissed as anti-democracy and an attempt to circumvent the Constitution.
I think I’d actually have more respect if someone would just say “Yeah, I shouldnt have made those changes but it’s too late now. Sucks for you guys!”
Hitler did what he felt was right, too. And believed he was justified in ‘dismissing’ all those who disagreed. The similarities are uncanny.
I thought it was the libs referring to Trump et. al. as nuts’is. I see there is a new group suffering from another derange syndrome.
Here’s the GA polls now, already predicting the foregone conclusion, which you definitely won’t be able to challenge with any of those baseless, anti-democratic questions about election integrity.
Agreed. But please consider:
This sort of thing is rampant today in our country. The founders intentionally made changes to our Constitution at best most difficult and challenging to accomplish. Today’s Americans, among their many deficiencies, lack the patience for such stuff. Short cuts and end runs are, for them, far more appealing. Here is an example:
Congress at one time, and as recently as the last century, strictly controlled immigration. But today Congress can no longer reach consensus and both sides want entry of illegals. Power hungry Democrats see them as eventual Democrat voters. Money hungry Republicans see them as cheap labor. So screw the idea of doing things the right way and in accord with law. Just let 'em stream in so “we get ours”. The country be damned.
Similarly with voting. So what if Federal and state Constitutions empower only state legislatures to make the rules. F that! Judges, Governors, and Secretaries of State (of the states) are gonna do whatever they want regardless. And in this intensely charged and highly polarized political environment, who is gonna stop 'em? Trump is trying. You can see where it is getting him.