Trump and his enablers have done a lot of harm with Georgia voters, IMHO. They’ve convinced some republicans the election is rigged, so why even show up to vote?
Harm is a relative term. A Democrat majority in the Senate is the best way to ensure a huge red wave in the 2022 elections.
True, but harm is harm and there was no need for it now. Some things are more harmful than others.
True too, but Republicans were going to regain control of the House in 2022 regardless of whether Democrats have full control of government in 2021.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-call-leaves-allies-fearful-200855809.html
Patrick Chevallereau, a former French military officer now at RUSI, a defense research institution in London, said that the Trump call “shows that the current president is in a mindset to do anything — absolutely anything — before Jan. 20. There is zero standard, zero reference, zero ethics.” He added: “Everything else than himself can be destroyed and collapse, including us.”
Thomas Wright, an Irish-born expert on the U.S. at the Brookings Institution, said that “People are worried for real that Trump will come back.” The months since the election have shown people “just how bad a second term would have been — the guardrails off, a completely personalized government and giving voice to his authoritarian tendencies,” he said.
"World leaders “all know that Trump is sort of crazy, but it’s the extremity of his actions, the lengths to which he has gone, that he got 74 million votes and is not retiring but will be a force for the Republicans” that is disconcerting, he added. “People knew what Trump is like, but the importance is the shadow of the future.”
Also troubling to many is the letter that the last 10 living secretaries of defense all signed urging the nation — and the military — to accept that the election is over and “the time for questioning the results has passed.”
Jean-Marie Guéhenno, a former French and United Nations diplomat who is president of the International Crisis Group, asked on Twitter: “Should we be reassured on U.S. democracy when 10 former defense secretaries warn against use of the military to dispute election results, or terrified that they believe taking a public stance has become necessary?”"
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It’s rather funny that anyone would think such language would be remotely productive. That’s intentionally inflaming the situation.
Today two very large financial firms, Blackrock and Goldman Sachs, went out of their way today to pressure Congress, specifically the Republican Congressmen, to approve Biden as President.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-04/u-s-business-leaders-urge-congress-to-certify-biden-s-election
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I thought this was an odd move to express a political opinion like that, seemingly regardless of or independent of the formal confirmation procedure, but I guess these days Democrats can’t seem to stop putting their pursuit of power ahead of legal process and aren’t shy about it either. For example, both of these firms have been happy to use their influence as gatekeepers of other peoples’ money to push a liberal social agenda (BLM pandering, voting against male or white company directors, pushing their ESG agenda and funds with shoddy statistics, etc).
Here’s some interesting comments on how the senior execs of Blackrock will be setting the financial policy under the new Biden administration.
BlackRock, the world’s largest asset manager, is entering this era in a unique position: Two of President-elect Joe Biden’s senior economic advisers worked there in the years after they left the Obama administration.
Brian Deese, who until Dec. 18 led sustainable investing at BlackRock, is Biden’s pick to lead the White House National Economic Council. And Wally Adeyemo, who worked at BlackRock for just over two years, including as an interim chief of staff to founder Larry Fink, is slated to be deputy treasury secretary, with a direct hand in shaping the Biden administration’s approach to financial regulation. Adeyemo left the firm in 2019 to lead the Obama Foundation.
Pfizer was also mentioned putting their weight behind Biden, unsurprisingly since they already significantly by delaying their vaccine trial results in order to not report the good news until a week after the election to enchance Biden’s chances.
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This because fraud only exists in your head.
Research report
Conducted a bit of research last evening concerning “evening news” reporting by the big four “legacy media” DNC propaganda mouthpieces, to wit, NBC, ABC, CBS, and PBS.
Surprisingly, and to their credit, NBC and ABC played it fair and devoted their leads to the virus and news surrounding it, including of course the vaccine situation. They did not get to their Trump attacks for more than ten minutes.
But at CBS the virulent Trump hate was their lead and went on unrestrained for close to fifteen minutes. The DNC must be awarding CBS a bonus stipend. And of course PBS also opened with a withering attack on Trump which continued endlessly.
In all cases the anti-Trump BS consisted of carefully edited excerpts from the leaked telephone call designed to create an impression at odds with reality. This sort of thing, after four years, is by now completely anticipated, and smart people pay no heed. Course there remain millions of Trump-hating dummies out there, especially in the west coast provincial regions where many people continue to think they are only three hours behind mainstream Americans who matter.
Anyway, bottom line, it was in interesting reiteration of media slant and bias, which however revealed nothing new.
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Whether that is right or wrong, at least unlike you I have the place to myself.
It is such fun living rent-free in your head, with you knowing we traditional Americans are buying NONE of the total BS you left wingers are selling, yet completely unable to pull the eviction ripcord. The reason for this inability?
Somewhere, deep down, you realize that we and our 5000 years of human history are right, and that your own pretentious liberal nonsense is deeply flawed and will never stand the inevitable acid test of time’s passage.
Illegally changing the rules is inherently “fraud”. So maybe we can stop claiming it doesnt exist, even if you believe that votes being cast under legal rules wouldnt have changed the result.
No, it’s not because it wasn’t illegal. No court in this country agreed with this.
America is a country governed by the rule of law, just like all other modern societies. You either accept that you had your time in court and move on, or you try to take the country by coup. That will be the choice after the electoral count is confirmed.
If you go down the latter path you are embracing dictatorship. Period.
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Isnt that the whole argument? I’ve never seen such a concerted effort to ridicule and denounce those who are using the legal process because they disagree with how laws are being applied and/or ignored.
Every time you shout BASELESS! and rabble on about a threat to democracy, the only message being sent is “Laws dont matter, you lost, get over it.” That is effectively a coup that has already occured…
I’ve never said that I think those people are necessarily right that they’re resisiting a coup. But you have given, and continue to give, them every reason to believe they are right with all the arrogantly dismissive bullying over the issue.
Could it be that:
- Biden won the election fair and square, and
- continuing with the pointless effort of having Congress reject some electors will hurt the markets?
Maybe there is a logical explanation beyond the purported democrats’ conspiracy to control everything.
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Lel. I’ve only seen baseless shouted in this thread (or anywhere else) by looney Trump enthusiasts. That’s why I posted the video with baseless in the title.
Are you still triggered?
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It’s also those Jews!
I never said BASELESS!, don’t know where you’re getting that from. I have no idea how you’re getting ‘laws don’t matter’ when I simply said that the courts (which adjudicate the law) have disagreed with the election arguments on all counts.
There has been no verifiable evidence for them to do so, so basically your argument is that the judiciary doesn’t know what the hell they’re doing even though many of those judges were conservative and/or Trump-appointed.
And… that leaves the final step, which is to start a coup when you don’t get what you want under the rule of law.
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Looking at the law side, the current objections to the Electoral college vote count is still very useful in highlighting how garbage the Electoral Count Act is in giving guidance as to what powers and duties Congress has on counting those votes.
If counting of the votes is purely a ceremonial affair, why is Congress in charge of it. You’d imagine any branch of government would be invested in a tiny bit of authority and judgement in performing its assigned functions. But that Act does not specify a lot in terms of what Congress should do. Why is there a right to object at all if you assume that the courts would have solved those issues by then? Hypothetically - not the case this time since the 60 some lawsuits were quickly dismissed for lack of evidence - what if courts ruled that there was significant fraud to one or more States election results but only after results were certified? Should Congress still rubber stamp those electoral votes despite evidence of fraud? I’d expect it not to but what’s the standard for objecting to counting electoral votes? Wouldn’t you want some sort of court-approved ruling before accepting objections?
On the flip side, the Electoral Count Act also does nothing to prevent a partisan Congress from simply ignoring the people’s votes altogether. As long as one party controlled both Chambers, they could claim any amount of fraud without evidence and vote along party lines (simple majority too) to simply ignore 150+ million votes. There’s no provision to prevent this from happening either.
The good thing in this current farce is definitely for me in proving that ECA is a dumpster fire law that should be replaced by something much clearer on duties, responsibilities, and powers of Congress in performing that count. It may not be tested this time due to House (and possibly senate too) never voting to sustain the objection but it should definitely be reformed in the next Congress lest we prefer making the argument for dismantling the Electoral College altogether soon.
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I agree completely that the 1887 ECA is garbage as do most that have looked at it. Unfortunately I don’t see a way it gets fixed given current realities.