I disagree. Trump never really did squat - he had his “people” to make things happen. All those people remain in the trump organization, since they dont have a clue how to make things happen in government. And all the “people” who can make things happen in Washington have blindly fought Trump, rather than execute his orders.
I still consider it one of the biggest strategic blunders in history, all these insiders opposing Trump, rather than doing their jobs, earning his trust, and becoming those “people” he turns to to make things happen. Instead of crying in the newspaper about how “He’s an idiot, he cant do that!”, they could’ve been in the room telling him what he can do.
That is partially correct, though. Trump did have a good idea of what he wanted to accomplish: undo the Iran deal, undo DACA, undo environmental policies, and so on. Fundamentally, undo what Obama did. He expected those in the room to make his agenda happen, one way or another. Those who didn’t help fulfill his goals, were maligned, ridiculed, and publicly belittled until they hit the road.
Oh give me a flipping break. I’ve been two weeks late on my periods and not pregnant. Do I need to buy a pregnancy test every day to be sure of my status 24/7?
Women are already paid less than men, do more household chores, participate more in raising of children, get abused and raped at much higher rates. Looking forward to the patriarchal society we live in to pile up more responsibilities on me while mansplaining what I should do with my uterus. Start offering free contraceptives, free permanent tubal ligation, and free pregnancy tests over the counter for all women 14-55 before adding another woman tax, thanks.
Also the morning after pill/early abortion argument is a bit inconsistent. If life starts right after fecundation, you’re killing a life either way. As a Catholic, that’s my personal belief at least. I generally agree about trying to promote early abortions over later ones. And I’d like others to follow the same choice, I’d gently advocate other women to consider alternatives, but I would never dictate what a woman should do with their body or put more obstacles than there are already to abortion. I know it’s not a decision the vast majority of women take flippantly and not without its share of anxiety, physical trauma, shame, etc.
Pregnancy tests rely on the presence of the hormone human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG), a glycoprotein that is secreted by the placenta shortly after fertilization.
The placenta begins developing after the fertilized egg implants in a woman’s uterus, which happens about six days after conception, so the earliest these tests can be used to detect pregnancy is about six days post-conception.
I anticipated such a reaction as yours in my earlier post. Women today, too many of them anyway, view their own interests not only as merely important, but as solitary. In this unresolvable conflict between two human beings, they have on their radar screen only one: themselves.
While women should be, deserve to be, in control here, there is another human being involved whether they like that or not, whether they are willing to confront that fact or not. Period.
No woman who wishes to terminate a pregnancy should dawdle or take her sweet time. If it must be done, which is itself a great sadness, it must be done at the earliest possible opportunity. And that is impossible if the woman is not closely monitoring her pregnancy status.
This type of test costs over $100 without insurance. I’m fully aware of the cost because I’ve had to do them for taking medication that requires one to not be pregnant to be prescribed. Even the over the counter stuff which is not as accurate costs about $5 per test and you likely do a couple of them if the first is negative, just to be sure. Who’s gonna absorb these costs if you routinely have late periods? Sure I can since I make 6 figures, but on income most women pull in the US? Sorry to be blunt, but if you require this level of pregnancy monitoring, fund it or shut up. If her man paid for the pregnancy tests, I’m sure most women wouldn’t mind too much peeing on those test sticks daily.
And the man’s point of view is also pretty rich considering how many men fail to provide child support to women they impregnated. All too often, the other human being involved acts a little less involved than would be appropriate. It’s also not them who will endure doctor visits every few weeks, nausea, throw ups, constant back pains, increase cholesterol, mood swings, residual body changes, loss of income because we don’t have maternity leave, etc. just to pay up big bucks to deliver a bowling ball through their vagina, optionally with a 1/3rd chance to get a C-section leaving them with a permanent scar. All while bitching that their broad couldn’t help get herself knocked up.
Your ranting against men generally in no way contravenes the above, which you appear either hesitant or even unwilling to address.
Women possess a wonderful, special capability. But that very same capability imposes on them extra responsibility. This is not my doing. This is God’s doing. Take your gripes up with Him.
This point of view is really inconsistent. If it’s solely the woman’s choice, then why is the man obligated to pay child support based on solely the woman’s choice?
I brought it up because Shinobi mentioned that another human being was involved in the decision.
Generally, I agree that it should totally be a decision taken as a couple but it sounded like the man’s opinion is never taken into account. It usually is but ultimately, it’s still the woman’s body bearing the brunt of the decision so I - admittedly in a biased fashion - feel that ultimately the final decision rests with her.
Yes, I did. That other human being is the baby, not the father.
And we agree. But that is not the issue!! Do I really need to repeat this after my colloquy with scripta? Perhaps I do:
It’s solely about the timing. Women should not have all the time in the world to get an abortion done, if that is what they want. Time is of the essence. That’s a human being in there. If there is any possibility to remove it before it is ensouled, that would be the only way to go. It’s a very thin reed, but in this virtually unresolvable circumstance, it is all we have.
The word you createdused is funny. That’s all I was laughing at. Not whatever ideas you were expressing.
You also seem to be picking an arbitrary point in time. The only black and white line is conception when the zygote is formed – the rest is a continuous and gradual growth. If this is your position then any and all abortion is by-definition murder. EVERY circumstance, NO exceptions (yes, including rape, incest, debilitating birth defects, and even life-of-the-mother). And it follows that criminal murder charges must be brought (self defense argument may be consistent for the last case… But that still necessitates a trial). Any other position is inconsistent and arbitrary. I am not arguing for or against this position (though I certainly don’t hold it). It’s just the only consistent position with the soul argument. But there are very few that hold this consistent position.
Here’s something I can agree with. But my main issue is that our society puts the (financial, physical and time) burden of this responsibility disproportionately on women where IMO the burden for reproducing the species should be shared equally.
It just doesn’t work practically to simply demand accountability in a vacuum while at the same time regularly vote down policies to support it because they’d be too costly (especially maternity leave, free deliveries and doctor visits, and free basic reproductive health, including free contraceptives for both genders).
I “created” nothing. It’s a word. You can look it up.
ensoul
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en·soul
(ĕn-sōl′)
tr.v.en·souled , en·soul·ing , en·souls
1.To endow with a soul.
2. To place, receive, or cherish in the soul.
There is no choice. Nobody can know this stuff for certain. My gut leans in the direction of agreement with scripta. Early on there is not a lot as yet existing. You can hope and pray there is no ensoulment. But, again, nobody knows. You can only take your best shot and do your best to come up with an answer. My gut tells me “earlier is a whole lot better than later”.
Updated. Word never came up in 10 years of Catholic Schooling or 8 years at Marianist. Maybe it’s usage
is connected to a specific Protestant sect or regional area….
I dunno. I have no such training as you; nothing even close.
I first ran into the word out of the mouth of a SC Congresswoman, who I think is a Democrat. It struck me as an interesting concept. I mean:
What happens to us following death? I have no clue.
When is a person ensouled, if that even happens? Again, I have no clue.
At base I believe no woman should be forced against her will to bring to term an unwanted child. The woman’s right trump’s the child’s right to life . . . in the midst of GREAT sadness.
Similarly, I believe there is less sadness if the pregnancy can be terminated as early as possible.
Both of the above are gut beliefs. It might be an unforgivable sin to kill a baby, as some people believe. I can only hope that is not the case.
Getting pregnant is something I didn’t desire at the time it happened to me. My husband (to be) was a young veteran of the Korean War & starting college when we met. After a year we decided to move up to a 4 yr college out of town. But first we needed to get married. Within 3 months I was pregnant.
We were so poor, with only the GI Bill & said NO to having a child. Our doctor convinced us to go ahead & he would give us free service. But the first thing I had to do was drop out of college & get a job, which I did. We certainly thought of abortion. So glad we forgot that.
In the end we had a second child the next year. Only 2 sons, 1 year apart. I eventually finished my education, though several years later.
So the moral of this story is, abortion should take long careful thought by both people & like shinobi says even a third the baby.
