Sounds like you’ve gone through all the stages of grief and are finally accepting the truth. You went back and forth between denial and bargaining a few times, I wasn’t sure when you’d finally come out.
That’s a very long jump to conclusion. Plenty of people who voted for him in 2016 changed their mind, and plenty of people who didn’t or couldn’t vote in 2016 were able to vote in 2020. But, you know, whatever helps you sleep at night.
You seem to be spending a lot of time defending Nazis.
/getting the Nazi defenders to identify themselves was kind of my point.
" “I just can’t believe that we could lose the Capitol like that,” Mr. Graham said during a break in the impeachment trial of former President Donald Trump. “I got mad. These police officers had every right to use deadly force, they should have used it.“”
Lindsey is correct.
“The people in charge of securing the Capitol left the country.”
The flurry of Trump appointees to various groups ahead of time to make sure that wouldn’t happen was part of Trump’s plan you idiot.
And a great many who did not vote for him in 2016 did vote for him last year because of promises kept.
That is the point of my post. Glad you understood. As I stated earlier, changes in voting rules resulted in millions of new voters. And more often than not, those new voters were not Trump voters.
Always the snide remark, but I expect no less from a young Southern Californian unable to engage in serious dialogue without a bit of backsliding.
President Trump offered 10,000 National Guard troops, prior to his rally on January sixth, to protect the Capitol. His offer was flatly declined by Muriel Bowser. Ms. Bowser is Mayor of Washington, DC, and she detests President Trump with a passion difficult adequately to characterize.
Presence of so many troops anywhere near to those who had planned the Capital incursion in advance would surely have cast cold water on their intentions.
That is the point of my post. Glad you understood. As I stated earlier, changes in voting rules resulted in millions of new voters. And more often than not, those new voters were not Trump voters.
So what?
We, as a country, should want more people to participate in the process and vote, because that is how we end up with a system that better reflects the country as a whole.
Arguing that Trump lost because more people were able to vote, in general, is a terrible argument for why Trump should have won.
I’m surprised you wrote that. I misjudged you, giving you more credit than it now appears you deserve.
I never argued Trump should have won. Given the change in voting situationally between 2016 and 2020, I’m not in the least surprised Trump lost. And I did state why I thought that happened, which is not at all the same as saying Trump should have won.
Candidly, the Democrats deserve a lot of credit for having concocted a successful voting strategy. The objective, after all, is to win. And they won despite offering a fossilized candidate who spent lots of time in his basement and who quite clearly suffers from onset of dementia. That’s real accomplishment! Of course, also as I wrote earlier, the pandemic was of great, almost inestimable, help to the Democrats. One cannot leave that aspect out.
The death and destruction wrought by gross negligence and maliciousness from Trump during the pandemic was not a help to anyone. At least not to any Americans, Trump did help his pals Xi and Putin.
Cool your jets, dude. Try to calm down. The pandemic lubricated changes in voting rules and procedures which were of great help to Democrats.
I never argued Trump should have won. Given the change in voting situationally between 2016 and 2020, I’m not in the least surprised Trump lost. And I did state why I thought that happened, which is not at all the same as saying Trump should have won.
If your argument is that the 2016 rules are “the real rules” (or the “better” rules) – and the 2020 rules being different from 2016 rules are what allowed Trump to lose – your word were that Trump would have “won easily” – that is essentially the same as saying “he should have won” in typical use of the words.
Like Scripta, I think you’re making a huge jump to conclusions to have said the “won easily” bit in the first place, since I think you’re severely overestimating Trump’s level of support with that statement.
But I will definitely grant that the circumstances of the election provided more access to more voters to have their voices heard that they didn’t want Trump re-elected.
And Trump’s supporters had that SAME expanded access and failed to cast the votes they needed to win.
So on whether “should have won” remark is a strawman or not – that really comes down to whether your statement was simply that he lost due to the circumstances of expanded voting – or whether the expanded voting was inherently bad or wrong (i.e. setting up the concept of how things “should be” but were not)
Apologies if I misunderstood your position on this, though.
I’m sure you have a source for that other than Trump’s right hand man, the Chief of Staff.
“I never argued Trump should have won.”
you argued it less than a week ago.
/thanks search function
That honestly was not my thought. Only that the 2016 rules were different and that difference was important to Biden’s win.
This is a straightforward difference of opinion. I’m confident Trump would have prevailed beneath the 2016 rules AND in the absence of a pandemic.
We agree on this aspect.
Agreement again. I’m in no position to criticize mail-in voting since I myself voted that way. In addition, had mail-in voting not been available to me I would not have voted in person because of the pandemic.
No worries. Yeah, I have wrestled with this entire matter myself since the election on account of Trump’s focus on (what he incessantly called) “fraud”. I ended up thinking what fraud there was was insufficient to give Trump the win. This sets aside the Dominion thing, which certainly remains unproven at this writing, but which if true would be fraud and would almost surely have made a difference. But, again, no proof.
So for me it comes down to changes in voting rules largely as an outcome of the pandemic . . . . so people like myself could vote. But then so could many other people, huge numbers of whom did not like President Trump.
Not at all. That post was with regard to Maricopa County. While I do not believe at the bottom line that Trump lost on account of fraud, I totally support all measures being taken to ensure the integrity of the election. After all, I could be wrong.
So when roadblocks are erected against legitimate inquiry, well, that certainly does raise my suspicions, just as it should raise your own.
I mean, after all, if President Trump actually and honestly had won you surely would want him returned to the White House, right? I mean, you’re an honest person, right?