The 2020 USA POTUS election politics, the civil war, and the world war (Part 1)

Trump has already shown what he can do with those hombres.

And scripta, Yes we Conservatives see what want to see… Huge crowds of loyal Republicans doing what we best do & certainly watch Trump accomplish his goals.

Trump won before & he will win again. Win, Win, Win a great Accomplishment !! :relaxed:

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Yep. Push their agendas and peddle their propaganda.

Jump Right in folks. Join this low brow group of losers… :rage: :wink:

There are graveyards, large and small, in venues literally all across the USA. These graveyards contain grave markers, oftentimes of stone, some large others rather small, for the graves of Americans who passed away in bygone times. NOT all! But a great many of those Americans held views out of step with today’s leftists. Heck, a majority of those people, now deceased, I’m certain actually loved our country and were proud to be Americans. Hence, I predict the following:

Before the end of this century many of the aforementioned graveyards will be bulldozed so as to destroy and clear away the grave markers of millions of hated America-loving dead. Why?

Those graveyards, as we see them now, will become intolerably offensive to an increasingly left leaning populace. The left, as has become progressively more and more evident, is intolerant of dissent. Free speech and expression exist for them only. Dissent, even if only spoken, is viewed as tantamount to physical attack and merits, from them, response in kind.

But the dead are quiet, you argue. They do not speak out in dissent. True, but their mere presence, by the millions in all those graves, will not be tolerated as we move forward. Today it’s merely statues. But when they are gone, the left will realize ALL vestiges of the old order must be eradicated in order for them to live comfortably in the paradise they seek so assiduously to bring about.

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Indeed - I thought the analogies to the Cultural Revolution in China were hitting too close to home, but perhaps the French Revolution is getting closer.

Below is from Taleb’s book a few years back and lays out a pretty clear case why a democracy needs to be intolerant of intolerance if it’s going to survive.

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/yup, replying to myself.

No body knows more about water than me, ok.

A big marine came with a tear rolling down his cheek came up to me and said “sir, how are you able to drink water so well…”

Not many people can do that. I get calls from world leaders asking how I am able to drink water so well.

They said it was perfect. Like nothing they’ve ever seen before. The greatest water drinking in the history of the country. Probably the world actually. Just incredible.

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Aside from the ridiculous water thing, you do realize that there’s a decent chance that other leaders really are calling to tell him that we’re doing great, etc, etc? Simply because they know that’s what he wants to hear, and it’ll buy a little goodwill down the road.

It’s ridiculous only because trump makes it ridiculous. It was ~10 minutes of the 6200–people-in-the-whole-arena “rally” talking about needing two hands to not spill water on his tie and talking about an imaginary “running down ten feet of a ramp” because he was so strong (facts are he ran zero feet of the ramp, he took about 2 normal-speed steps at the end after inching down the whole ramp) and how people were saying he looked so handsome inching down the ramp.
Trump overcompensating and making “the ridiculous water thing” at the kl… err “rally”:

Really we shouldn’t forget Trump starting the whole water thing four years ago, either. But “it’s not fair!
They’re picking on the poor president. Only picking on him! Poor Donny is always the VICTIM!”:

Another third of the speech was saying he told “his people” to “slow the testing down, please” because people don’t even know if covid19 is a virus or a flu or a Kung Flu and it just gives people the “sniffles”, and another third was about how it’s wrong to remove any Jim Crow era Confederate “monuments”.

I wonder if he paid used campaign donations to pay for the plane that flew by the NASCAR race with a confederate flag and “defund NASCAR” on a banner since NASCAR finally banned confederate flags? “They want to change oUr H1sTorY!” (Alright, obviously that’s a joke. Trump likely didn’t set up that banner flight himself. But you can bet the people who did are “core Trump supporters”. You’re lying to yourself and completely naive if you don’t know that.)

As I read this it makes me cry… It is so true.

The left Dems must have it their way, even if it takes lies, etc. They lost 4 years ago. They were never going to give Trump a touch of decent respect right out the door. Impeachment then & when he wins they will go for it again.

So Wrong.

Ok POTUS, pick yourself up & head out the door. You are a winner & actually your opponent is so unbelievably bad that there should be no contest. Let Biden out of the cellar… :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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Just ran across this…1958 Law

U.S. Public Law 85-425, Section 410. All Confederate graves were declared those of the U.S. war dead. Those desecrating Confederate graves & Confederate monuments are defiling U.S. Veterans. Same as WW1, WW2, Korean, Vietnam.

I guess the looters & morons (I will not call the Left Dems) don’t know this is a law. Will anyone pay attention? NO, not interested in real laws…

Be honest. You ran across a Facebook post, or a blog somewhere. You didn’t “just run across the law” in your normal course of reading random portions of law. The original source of this claim was white supremacist groups, but you could have ran across it where someone else (not a white supremacist group) unknowingly duplicated it. If you actually read the law you would see that is not what is in it. It is very clear that it only interprets the “veteran” reference in the two specific sections to include people who served in the confederate military or naval forces during the Civil War. The law you reference specifically does not apply to anything except the two referenced sections. Which basically designates that they qualified for VA benefits. Of course, it was only passed after the last remaining confederate from the Civil War had died… so in reality the benefits were not extended to the traitors themselves, but benefits were extended to their survivors.

Here is the actual law for reference.

Here’s some discussion:

alternately, Snopes

Bend3r, even you, I imagine would desecrate grave sites or monuments. At least that is the assumption from your post.

Terrible, unbelievable!! What a jerk! :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Yeah no. There you made things up again. I said nothing of the sort.

I only pointed out that the false characterization of the law you pretended to “have just come across” was white supremacist propaganda, which it was. I even provided you a link to the actual law, which you have neglected to read. Of course facts never matter for Trump apologists. Facts are all “libral”. Scientists, doctors, or experts in any other fields are all “lefties.”
Instead let’s create a strawman, rather than retract the white supremacist propaganda that you (hopefully on accident) were parroting.

The government removing statues is not “desecrating grave sites”.

Yes, if calling out white supremacist propaganda is being a jerk, then I am one!

Go ahead. Plow up gravesites alongside monuments . Refuse history.!! :cold_face:

Fire Marshal said there were a max of 6200 people in the arena. So, it was only a little more than 2/3 empty.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/21/politics/tiktok-trump-tulsa-rally/index.html
Shandril, are you Mary Jo Laupp?

None of those monuments are monuments put up by the Confederacy, they are all monuments put up well after the fact.

Then again, let’s ask General Lee what he thinks of Confederate monuments. We can actually do this because he wrote letters.

"Old letters from Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee reveal the commander of the confederate army during the American Civil War opposed symbols, such as the monuments to Confederate figures that protesters are calling to be removed

Years later, when invited to a Gettysburg memorial, Lee declined.

He said it was wiser “not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife.”

https://wtop.com/local/2020/06/a-look-back-at-history-reveals-how-robert-e-lee-felt-about-confederate-monuments/

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The government isnt removing them. 80 people in a rioting mob are. It may not be desecrating a grave site, but it is blatant vandalism. I’d love to hear how the vandals are made to pay restitution to restore these monuments. Especially if the government then decides to take them down anyways.

Impulsive vigilantism has no place in our society, not matter how just you may feel you are. I can muster a little respect for those willing to accept the consequences (go ahead and do the crime, if you’re willing to do the time), but any consequences only spark additional outrage.

Yes (because I know this will be the go-to response), some governments are proactively removing such statues - but it’s not because they decided to remove the statues, but because of the safety hazard created by a rioting mob toppling them.

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That should go without saying. And it’s a completely different discussion than the strawman of “desecrating graves”.

Historically, toppling statues, especially with complicated or obscene pasts, is not really a unique situation. It’s happened before, it will happen again. You’re right, if they were going to be removed anyways it might be a challenge to establish civil damages. At the least, some are creating injury hazards. I’m sure some will be charged if they catch them.

It’s also a little crazy how some of “The South Will Rise Again” revisionist history was allowed to stay in state-approved (TX, for example, which set the curriculum for many states because it is a big market slice. Late 1990s, I know from personal experience these were still absurdly distorted) school textbooks for so long. Along with the neos, there’s a lot of people grew up with misleading middle school and high school classes who really believe in the War of Northern Aggression and aren’t really as racist as the neos but just misguided.

And then (as weird as it seems), there’s also a lot of actual racists that are still really good people. They’re generally old and dying off. They might have been less than the median amount of racist for their environment at the time they grew up and even hid it well through middle age. And im referring to people here that would never treat others badly (might even be extra nice) but don’t see some races as equal. My grandparents fit in this category. They were great people. But the racist environment they grew up in was really evident near the end. Specifically, I remember a black doctor and nurse resulted in some hilariously out of place dialog. They weren’t mean to them or anything. Actually compliments… But the wording… It gets harder to change the older you are.

I used to buy the “Changing oUr history” argument on renaming things and removing statues myself when I was a kid.

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You seem to be caught up in some kind of dislike here. It’s very disingenuous… To bad you don’t my address or might try to burn my house down.

Then you turn around and say “there’s also a lot of actual racists that are still really good people”. Seems like I heard Trump say those exact words. So rude!