The 2020 USA POTUS election politics, the civil war, and the world war (Part 1)

Well, of course, you have placed your finger squarely on the problem. :wink:

Yes indeed.

There is a saying… When the --------moves in or start to, the value of the area goes down. So those that have lived in loved areas for years move on. Value sometimes gets in the way.

Sad commentary, but I believe it is true. To bad!

Jeebus. I know you don’t think yourself a racist, but you keep making racist comments. Even in the cases that happened to be true, there are many reasons why values may go down, but they all have to do with racist policies by our government (like home loans before the Civil Rights Act), historical income disparities and educational disadvantages, racism-driven perceptions such as the one you wrote above, and many other contributing factors.

When the gays move in, values go UP UP UP! Also doctors, lawyers, athletes, Persians, Jews, Armenians, Chinese… Have I missed any stereotypes?

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I do believe in legal immigration. We are a nation of immigrants. When foreigners are forced to endure the legal process, which is a darn tough row to hoe, they learn about our American history and culture. Also, back when things were done properly, Congress closed off legal immigration when the numbers became overwhelming. This provided time and opportunity for the newcomers to become integrated into our American culture and society. Thereafter the gates were reopened.

Back when things were done properly, outsiders wanting to join us were selected based on what was best for our country, not based on bleeding heart concerns for the welfare of poor outsider peasants . . . of whom there are literally billions all across this world.

Americans should help less fortunate persons in foreign countries. But this does not mean we should do so at the expense of our own debilitation or even destruction. And most of the assistance we provide should be in situ . . . not here.

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Not really, it’s not part of the immigration process, only part of the citizenship process which comes many years later (and actually is not required, since one can live and work most jobs while being a permanent resident). The only history they learn is the names of past presidents. They learn some basic civics, like the structure of our government. There’s nothing about “culture” on the citizenship exam.

Which is when? 1920s? 1960s? Another time?

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I knew when I wrote my piece, You would call me a racist. I almost beat you to the punch, but decided to wait & see your response.

Another racist comment would be to say, Money Talks. Those stereotypes you mentioned had the money to move into an area & keep the value of the property high.

Again, I say Life is Hard. Those new folks (legal immigrants) must work & try hard. Get an education & strive to better themselves.

But, back to politics. Liberal democrats want to give, free this, free that. Or worst, liberal looters & rif raf want to break in & steal objects if not handed out free… What can I say? Not my problem… :angry:

That’s not a racist comment. If you want to get a house, you need the money. Therefore, if you are moving in, it means you already have the money to move in. So, if you have the money, how could you possibly cause values to move either up OR down? Unless you stop maintaining your home, of course, but I’m pretty sure that’s not a cultural thing. I have plenty of white neighbors who launch fireworks all year round, don’t pick up after their dogs, and don’t maintain their lawns.

It’s not someone’s race or culture that causes values to go up or down. In the recent past it was racist housing policies. Now it’s just historical perception and stereotypes.

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I agree with you thought here. :laughing:

You can’t do both – you can’t believe what you wrote above regarding values going down after ??? moves in AND agree with what I wrote.

Well then, forget what I said… You’re impossible!

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You believe in two opposite things and I’m impossible? OK patty.

Talk again later… I’m going to go feed my dogs… :blush:

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I see what you did there, though don’t think it was an intentional reference.

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Here goes…

From how you describe your white neighbors, I’d say, sounds like a typical red neck neighborhood. I know that they like to shot off fireworks in the evening while sitting outside drinking a cold beer. As a rule they don’t care very much how the yard looks either. What would we say about your yard?

Some of these folks are just happy because they have a rental house & food on the table. Probably the best they can afford from low paying job.

Are you planning to relocate soon as possible? Saving money to move upward? I would be if I had a choice & could afford better. Does that make me racist?

And, oh yes, from your psychology book you said that I have cognitive dissonance. You know nothing really about me except what you read here. Good try!

I’m in a pretty nice neighborhood. Relatively high home ownership rate and the rents are also relatively high – not affordable with low paying jobs. I was just providing an example to show that white people could also appear bad for the neighborhood. The redneck “culture” of a few neighbors doesn’t seem to have any effect on property values though, which keep going in the same direction as the rest of SoCal.

Low-maintenance native plants on drip. You’d like it.

I didn’t say you have it, just wanted to make sure you know what it is, since it looks like you simultaneously hold opposing positions on a subject.

Hey! Are you profiling? Are you being racist. I self-identify as a goose or gander … will decide when I figure out which one makes me more progressive on the social media circuit … probably goose of color and formerly gander. :wink: Hey, it might even get me on the bottom half of the Democrat presidential ticket.

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Uh, forced? Aren’t they allowed to endure the legal process?

Absolutely true, and it had the desired effect, without eliminating cultures.

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. . . as contrasted with other persons who enter our country in contravention of our law and then are wrongly permitted to remain here regardless.

To be here legally, to have opportunity to become an American citizen the right and honorable way, a foreigner must clear many hurdles. There is no choice. It is not easy. And it should not be easy. Because once a foreigner overcomes the obstacles and becomes a citizen, that person is as much a citizen as any other American, regardless ancestry or pedigree. But that high station cannot be achieved simply by walking across our border or sneaking into America under cover of darkness.

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I think you’re the only one who took the comment in one direction. It’s generally understood that this attitude (“There goes the neighborhood!”) exists in all directions, and is targeted at an “outsider” to whatever current norm prevails.

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So Trump floats the idea of delaying the election

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Of course, the prevailing response is “AHHHH! He cant do that!” Because obviously, saying it’s worth considering is the same thing as him declaring that’s what he’s going to do.

What part of “Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???” even suggests he thinks he can just make that decision on his own? Yet the headlines are that Trump thinks he can ignore the Constitution and delay the election. When he hasnt said anything remotely close to that.

Will the election be delayed? I highly doubt it, especially now that Trump has mentioned it. But given the situation, and the (over?)reaction to so many other things, I think the fear-mongerers would consider it ‘criminal’ to not at least consider. In fact, I’ve assumed at some point we’ll hear the claims that holding the election is inherently election tampering, since all the “reasonable” people will stay home for their own safety.

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