The 2024 election politics

Does C19 count :slight_smile: ?

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We’re gonna find out soon!

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DNC delays their candidate approval vote by a week, hoping for it not to be Biden. Time is running out, for their process and their prospects.

There is no mechanism for the party to remove Mr. Biden as its nominee if he does not choose to drop out. The vast majority of the more than 4,600 delegates to the party convention are bound to vote for Mr. Biden on the first ballot, regardless of when that vote takes place.

Might be this weekend for the DNC coup

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/18/president-biden-drop-out-election-democrats

The Democrats keep saying that Trump is going to destroy democracy but then turn around and ignore the vote of 14 million people in the primaries.

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That’s hyperbole – the votes are not ignored. We don’t vote for a president in the primaries, we vote for the party nominee, and if our choice doesn’t win the nomination, we get whomever our choice endorses.

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Hearing the coup was successful and Biden is on his way out. They’ll run an open convention and Kalama gets no endorsement. She’ll be lucky to be a two term VP, if somehow that lets Biden’s $200M campaign fund go along with the real candidate.

U.S. President Joe Biden has reportedly notified Campaign Officials of his Decision to Withdraw from the ongoing Presidential Race, with an Official Announcement coming sometime before Sunday. Despite his Withdrawal, it is not believed he will Resign the Presidency or Endorse another Candidate like Vice President Kamala Harris; instead August’s Democratic National Convention in Chicago is expected to the First Brokered Convention since 1952, with possibly Dozens of Democratic Candidates vying for the Nomination.

https://x.com/MarkHalperin/status/1814049842790006837

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That is not correct. We vote for delegates who are pledged to vote for a candidate on the first round. They are not allowed to change that vote regardless of what instructions they get.

And most likely that is exactly what will happen. At that point he’ll say he has long covid and endorse someone else.

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I cant see that flying. Anything he has now that will prevent him from being President the next 4 years, would also prevent him from being President for the next 6 months.

Ok, with what we’ve seen before, I guess that kind of plan would make perfect sense. Let everyone argue about the current term so they can try to slip someone into the next term without much scrutiny.

Anything? Plenty of serious illnesses start out mild and get worse over time. Life itself being one of them.

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Obviously, it means anything that can be known 6+ months in advance. For example, if the risk of dying of old age was the factor, he could drop dead tomorrow just as likely as sometime in the next 4.5 years. He isnt going to be good for the next year, then suddenly face an elevated risk after that (at least not in terms of knowing about it now).

Biden not pulling out

As calls mount for President Joe Biden to step aside and let another Democrat lead the party into the November election against former President Donald Trump, the Democratic National Convention’s Rules Committee held a virtual meeting where the message to delegates was, essentially: Everything is proceeding as planned.

The meeting was convened to discuss plans for a virtual roll call vote to formally nominate Biden weeks before the convention, but no votes were taken or decisions made. Instead, party leaders used the meeting to inform the nearly 200 members of the committee about the process that is currently planned, which they had already laid out in a letter earlier this week.

The committee will meet again on Friday, July 26, at noon to consider adopting the virtual roll call process, which would not be held until the first week of August.

The virtual roll call idea has plenty of detractors inside the party, but the only hint of dissent in the meeting came in questions about whether other candidates could be nominated for the virtual roll call (answer: technically yes, but actually, probably not). Otherwise, the virtual meeting was uneventful — despite starting moments after four more Democratic members of Congress called on Biden to step aside.

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Obviously. I don’t know what you’re arguing. There are illnesses that progress slowly. They may be fine for a few months or even years. Something like cancer, for example.

But what’s the process for when he withdraws after receiving the nomination? Does it give certain people more control over who replaces him?

And if you have cancer today, you have no idea what next month will look like, or 3 years from now. There’s no saying “I’ll be fine until this future point, but I wont be after that future point.” The same reasons to withdraw 6 months from now apply equally to resigning today, the reasons to remain in the position today are the same reasons to continue running for another term.

And any attempt to claim otherwise is merely concocting an excuse.

You are making zero sense right now. The reason to remain in the position and not resign today is because he feels fine. The reason to drop out of the race is statistics.

You said he’s gonna drop out because he has long covid. If having long covid makes him unable to do the job a year from now, it’s making him unable to do the job now. If he feels fine now, there’s no reaosn to expect he wont feel the same a year from now. Any “statistical” reason why he might not feel good a year from now has nothing to do with contracting any disease, and was just as much a statistical possibility a year ago, two years ago, even 4 years ago as it is now.

If that’s the reason, it’s just a made-up excuse. They’re saying he has declined so far that they cant keep propping him up, but they’re going to keep trying to cover for him through the end of this term.

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My mention of long covid was tongue-in-cheek. It was just an example of an illness. I guess it was not a good one, so I later mentioned that there are other illnesses that can start out mild and get worse with time.

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…and it was also the premise to which I was replying.

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