Whither bonds? .

One month after a forgettable and mediocre 2Y auction, moments ago the Treasury sold $48 billion in 2y paper in what was a clearly stellar auction, surprisingly so despite the sharp drop in yields across the curve which meant no concessions for buyers. Yet even so, at a high yield of 2.585%, the auction stopped 1.1bps through the When Issued. That said, this was one of the highest 2Y auction yields going back to the financial crisis, and was just shy of prior cycle high of 2.88% hit in Oct 2018, just bbefore the Fed was forced to end its tightening plans.

Edit. Yield is 2.48% on 4/26/22 at 1646 EDT

https://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/us

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US government bond prices fall further ahead of key Fed meeting

US government bond prices fall further ahead of key Fed meeting

As prices fall, yields ascend.

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[This item is from today’s Wall Street Journal. The presentation here is intended to circumvent the WSJ paywall, for those who might not have a subscription]
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https://platformania.com/stocks-and-bonds-are-falling-in-lockstep-at-pace-unseen-in-decades/

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Totally sucks. I feel bad for older retirees who can’t accept the vol of a big allocation to stocks. Where else are they going to put their $$$?

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Someone has to step up and buy the treasuries the Fed is going to sell. Now there is an alternative- 2-3% for your medium term bonds instead of nothing, and avoid stock market risk. Now if inflation was 2% it’d be a lot better…

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+1 where do you find shelter in stagflation?

Commodities worked in the 70s I think. Oil gold, maybe BTC. RE with a fixed rate mortgage is a decent inflation hedge.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4505720-investing-during-stagflation-101

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Except rates are destined to go up, which will put a lot of pressure on the high-flying prices. And if we do get into a recession, that usually means higher unemployment, could even put pressure on rent prices, which puts more pressure on RE prices… :chicken:

The five-year tips fixed yield is 0.07% as of June 10.

https://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/us

That makes the 5 year breakeven inflation 3.24-.07 = 3.17% according to the Bloomberg data. That is an underestimate in my opinion so I will be buying some.
Edit. Corrected calculation

Also, a five-year tips auction will be announced on June 16 and the auction will be June 23

https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/221/Tentative-Auction-Schedule.pdf

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mortgage market comments. It’s a long link, just read the first / most recent entry or two on how the mortgage market is taking the CPI news.

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From the article: “Overnight the retail consequence has been a leap from roughly 5.50% to 6.00% for low-fee 30-fixed loans.”

Well, I remember when I began working after grad school. Mortgage rates were at 6-7% for 30-year fixed. That was in the mid 1990’s.

Were RE prices as high as they are today? IIRC there was a RE price deflation around '91, so mid-90’s was a good time in terms of prices (relatively and in hindsight).

I’m finally seeing asking price reductions for existing listings in the areas where I’ve been watching (SoCal). RE prices are as nuts today as they were in 2006, IMO, and the mortgage rates are finally starting to have an effect. At the bottom ~2.6% for a 30-yr fixed super conforming, borrowing $100K cost $400/mo. Now at 5.2% it costs $550/mo. At 7% it’ll be $665/mo. Market rent (again in SoCal) hasn’t kept up with the RE price increases (I’m pretty sure tenants just can’t afford it), so from an investor standpoint the high prices make less sense than ever. The “experts” I listen to don’t envision a drop of more than 10%, if at all. But I’m thinking we’re due for 20-30% here, especially if mortgages keep going up. More if there’s an actual recession (or even an expectation of recession that leads to large companies freezing hiring or even preemptive layoffs).

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That combined with an overly active hurricane season might lead to some attractive less unattractive beach/near beach properties.

Spoke to Fido CFP last week about my FIL “safe” bond portfolio in his IRA.

Down significantly but his advice hold till maturity so don’t worry about it.

Sorry, but I can’t resist …
Fido CFP FIL IRA … DUCKSOUP

I understand CFP to mean Certifiable Financial Planner (or Certified)
I understand IRA to mean Individual Retirement Account
Fido and FIL are, showing my ignorance, new to me. Well, Fido used to be a cellular provider in Canada, but I suspect that’s not your target. I presume FIL is not related to the French language or the Dinar

To prevent triggering any ignorant incapable snowflakers, Duck Soup (1933) - IMDb

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Reuters reporting:

There is activity in the bond market:

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Not Goose Soup?

Fido == Fidelity, or at least that’s how I’ve always understood it. FIL = Father In Law? That’s my best guess.

We have a long history on this site of using initials and aliases. Perhaps the most famous is “Ken’s site” which only the wackos that hang out here would know what that refers to.

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right on both.

back to my original question. Usually bonds are a good counter to stocks, why my FIL bought individual ones and not funds (so we don’t have forced cash outs) So are we safe if we hold TM

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From across the pond, but the warning applies more broadly.

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That depends on term length, and how high inflation gets. If the term is more than five years, I would look to sell in the next 6 to 18 months or hold for more than five years. My preference would be to sell during the upcoming recession … preferably toward the middle or last year of Uncle Joe’s term.

ETA: I presume you meant “safe” as not too unprofitable. If you meant “safe” as not losing principle, then you’re safe … out to 15 years.

Disclaimer: I’m not a prophet, soothsayer, financial know-it-all, or anyone of worth. I’m a husband and father. My opinion is worth exactly what it is to my wife, children, and what you paid for it. :smile: