Does the coronavirus merit investment, or personal, concern or consideration?

Yes, your right @shinobi.

I actually always do use “Native American” when filling out forms. But with all the racism and racial preference that the Democrats have lambasted upon Americans, who knows.

Nowadays I may be shoved aside with the “white folks”. :blush:

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Yes, many stories or episodes I could tell. But here’s one .

Most of the free stuff that the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma hands out goes only to people who live in their state. But my grandson keeps tabs on information that he might be eligible for.

My son mentioned that Choctaw outsiders like us are now allowed to qualify for a new benefit. We including me, now have a debit card with $1000 a year plus $200 a month food allowance. So gs got the information and we are taking part…

Happy days are here again…. :blush:

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That is hilarious. Count your blessings that the program is not means tested!

Don’t you mean “government waste at its finest?” :smile:

I support lending a hand to American citizens who might need some help. And there are no more American American citizens than our native Americans.

But as with so many of these handouts, tax dollars are squandered when they go to American citizens not genuinely in need, or (worse) to persons who are not even American citizens in the first place and who deserve only to be deported.

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Ole Joe may have some memory issues, but he remembers who helped throw him the election by delaying those vaccine results. PFE gets another $5B in drug orders for their pill.

Having almost no production capacity at this point (50k/mo or something), they’re buying 10M doses instead of only 5M. By the time they make 'em, everyone will already have had Omicron.

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notice that the statistics come from the CDC so who knows what’s really going on with their fake numbers. Were those deaths with Covid or from Covid? how do they define a “case”

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https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article257033187.html

The spike in COVID-19 spread due to the omicron coronavirus variant is pushing North Carolina hospitals to their limits, doctors across the state told reporters Tuesday

I recall virtually identical reports about a year ago stating the same thing, then the heads of the area hospital systems going on the local news saying they had no idea where those reports were coming from because it simply wasn’t true.

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Maybe check to see what other “investments” Doc Fauci is “funding” in Wuhan, China and elsewhere.

Uh, where have you been for the last couple of years? The answer is to make the animals wear masks, physically distance (as opposed to the idiotic social distancing), and get the vaccine, and multiple boosters. After all, we’ve been told repeatedly that it’s perfectly safe and effective. We also know that the govt is honest, forthcoming, and buzzword of the decade - transparent, or maybe transgenderized.

Just a guess, but this is more likely coming from the tribe.

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Fine – “tribal government waste at its finest” :smile:

Pandemic death rates

The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people. “We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.” OneAmerica is a $100 billion insurance company that has had its headquarters in Indianapolis since 1877. Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica. “ And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,” he said. “Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.” “What the data is showing to us is that the deaths that are being reported as COVID deaths greatly understate the actual death losses among working-age people from the pandemic. It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.” He said at the same time, the company is seeing an “uptick” in disability claims, saying at first it was short-term disability claims, and now the increase is in long-term disability claims

According to your beliefs, feel free to blame this on

  • unreported covid health effects
  • lockdowns and lack of hospital / routine care
  • vaccines
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(referring now to the title of this thread and xerty’s post just above)

Does the coronavirus merit investment . . . . . concern

So if you have, for example, an annuity with this or that insurance company, with your returns (including return of principal) guaranteed solely by that company, perhaps worth taking a moment to check out how the pandemic might be impacting their bottom line.

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With ivermectin, what sets it apart from all the other compounds tested, is the sheer number of randomized and observational controlled trials that have been performed to date. It is #1 among the “green box” compounds given it has been tested in 73 controlled trials which include an unheard-of 56,804 patients. Why unheard of? Because never in history has a medicine been so thoroughly tested, with such consistent positive results, yet led to a situation where governmental agencies in highly developed countries call for even more placebo-controlled trials to be done… and then slow walk to doing them. The ethics of giving a covid patient a placebo given this amount of supportive data are too miserable to contemplate

beyond the above 73 controlled trials supporting ivermectin, there are, in addition, numerous health ministries from around the world that deployed ivermectin in either the prevention or early treatment of COVID, among often very large populations. Each program’s report found that ivermectin use led to massive reductions in the need for hospitalization and/or death (Mexico City, Uttar Pradesh, Brazil, Misiones, La Pampas, Peru, Phillipines, and Japan - I will do a deeper dive on these in a later post). The program in the city of Itajai, Brazil is both the largest study of ivermectin in the world (data from nearly 200,000 patients was carefully collected over a 6 month period) and most impressive. They found that, despite the fact that the 120,000 patients who agreed to take ivermectin every 15 days were older, fatter, and sicker than the approximately 37,000 that did not…they went to hospital 67% less frequently, and died 70% less frequently… from all causes, not just COVID. The issue with ivermectin as a therapeutic in COVID… has NOTHING to do with the science.

Here’s that Brazilian paper with excellent results.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Cadegiani-Flavio/publication/356962821_Ivermectin_Prophylaxis_Used_for_COVID-19_Reduces_COVID-19_Infection_and_Mortality_Rates_A_City-Wide_Prospective_Observational_Study_of_220517_Subjects_Using_Propensity_Score_Matching/links/61c842d0b6b5667157a779cc/Ivermectin-Prophylaxis-Used-for-COVID-19-Reduces-COVID-19-Infection-and-Mortality-Rates-A-City-Wide-Prospective-Observational-Study-of-220-517-Subjects-Using-Propensity-Score-Matching.pdf?origin=publication_detail

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I will summarize:

Follow the money

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and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64”

Due to the fact they write policies for working employees of companies, of course their data is going to show significantly more deaths among working-age people.

And when term policies for younger people can be had for under $500/yr for $1-million coverage, the typical death rate is clearly really low and wouldnt require many additional deaths, in absolute terms, to create a significant percentage increase. A death count increase from 5 to 10 would be a 100% increase, even though those 5 additional deaths only represent 5% of total pandemic deaths. As shinobi said, this is primarily a reflection on the insurance company’s prospects as a business, not the pandemic.

It’s pretty damn misleading to claim that “it’s not elderly people who are dying” from the pandemic, when 90% of covid deaths are in fact people over the age of 50.

I’m also curious if they also have retiree policies that do cover older people who are lumped into the “working-age group coverage”, or if they really did break out only the 18-64 data. And what happens when they follow the CDC data breakdown, and break out age 50-65 from those under 50?

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Yeah, it’s clearly older ppl that are dying most. I still thought it was interesting that the death rates were up so much, at least on a relative / statistical basis, for the rest of the adults at least from a life insurance perspective.

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Can’t be too careful, the college administration edition

Last week, the CDC reported that weekly deaths in people age 18-29 decreased to zero from one in 5 million the week prior.

That’s lower than the number of deaths from car accidents, suicide and firearms in young people. So why are we imposing a kind of martial law on students to ever so slightly reduce the chance that they develop a mild illness?

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Hotez says they tried to interest government officials in the vaccine, but they weren’t impressed.

"People were so fixated on innovation that nobody thought, ‘Hey, maybe we could use a low-cost, durable, easy-breezy vaccine that can vaccinate the whole world,’ " Hotez says

Hotez says that unlike the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, and the viral vector vaccine from Johnson & Johnson, protein subunit vaccines like CORBEVAX have a track record. So he and Bottazzi were relatively certain CORBEVAX would be safe and effective.

“And it’s cheap, a dollar, dollar fifty a dose,” Hotez says. “You’re not going to get less expensive than that.”

As Shinobi loves to say, “just follow the money!”. Why pay hundreds of millions to vaccinate the country, when you can choose to spend tens of billions?

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But but but… exactly how safe and effective is it??? Nobody knows!!! :crazy_face: