Does the coronavirus merit investment, or personal, concern or consideration?

To be fair, some of people believe it’s a hoax (or just don’t care) regardless of Trump. Germany and the UK and global conspiracy theories are popular in plenty of other places where they aren’t big Trump fans but they value Freedom over the economic disaster of some of these lockdowns.

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To be fair, Trump is also partly responsible for some people in Europe and the rest of the world believing in bullshit. Trump has been pouring gasoline on the sparks of conspiracy theories of all kinds.

There’s plenty of nutcases everywhere, but they were few and they sat quietly in the corner. Now BS is front and center in GOP politics, and people in other countries read about this in the news.

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"The Japanese government gives subsidies to smaller companies that allow them to pay employees idled by the COVID-19 pandemic up to 100 percent of their normal wages. In the Netherlands, that number is 90 percent. In Germany, it’s 87 percent. In France, it’s 84 percent. In Italy and the United Kingdom, it’s 80 percent. In Canada, it’s 75 percent.

In America, it’s 0 percent."

“…At the same time, numerous states, which are barred by statute from running deficits like the federal government, are scrambling to fill the void with their own stimulus bills, blowing holes in their budgets that may eventually lead to further cuts in essential services like public safety and education.”

Meanwhile, in my county, sales tax revenue is actually up over last year.

And to note, the US at 0% currently. It was the same “up to 100%” as Japan most of the spring and summer. And we provided millions more of unemployed persons with up to and potentially exceeding 100% of their normal wages - same effect, but paid directly rather than through an employer.

The issue is that after 9 months, those programs have expired. And would’ve been renewed long ago, if a certain political party would get off their high horse demanding that trillions of additional spending be included in any bill to extend those wage subsidies…

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"The United States logged 14 million Covid-19 cases Wednesday just hours after setting three grim records: the highest number of daily deaths, new infections and hospitalizations since the pandemic began.

CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield had a dire prediction for the winter months. “I actually believe they’re going to be the most difficult time in the public health history of this nation,” he said.”

It’s a year since the pandemic began.

Biden warns the next 250k deaths are definitely not his fault.

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Must be a FOX/OAN thing.

Heard from someone in a FOX “news” household yesterday how depending on who is president next year the pandemic might last much longer.

It’s funny how the first 3 years of Trump failures were all 'Bama’s fault and the last year of failures are all Biden’s fault.

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Right.

But when the inoculations go smoothly and everyone is out of the woods, rest assured his side will take all the credit for that success, which rightfully belongs to President Trump.

Why? Because that’s what they do.

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See, you frame it like that because you insist that you are inherently right. What’s really happening is that other people simply dont consider these “failures” to even be failures. The reason they’re being over-hyped as such is because you are constantly determining what’s “right” in terms of what Obama or Biden would’ve done. Plenty of people feel the things Obama did (and Biden may do) constitutes the actual failures.

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I mean, Biden and Obama let everyone get H1N1 back in 2009, they were just lucky nobody cares about people dying from the flu, and that the swine flu didn’t turn out to be that bad.

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That sounds misleading. You’re implying that first they let everyone get it, and then they got lucky because it wasn’t as deadly. But maybe the only reason they “let everyone get it” was because it wasn’t that deadly in the first place?

And according to the article you linked:

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Yeah, just compare something that’s not the same. It was detected and dealt with. As you point out, it was nowhere near as bad as covid19.
And they built on national and international pandemic response capability based on the observations. Capability that was dismantled by the current administration…

Many of our international partners (S Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, etc) who were successfull was primarily from US CDC leadership in the pandemic programs that ran ftgrough Bush, Clinton, and Obama administrations until Trump killed the programs and politicized our national scientific institutions. There’s a reason so many countries have named their own organizations after the CDC in respect for the US CDC. Through 2016, we were the most prepared country in the world for a pandemic situation. And our expertise and leadership was also the best in the world.

So true, shinobi…

These dudes on the democrat side refuse to give President Trump credit for the multitude of accomplishments in the past 4 years.

President Trump has helped set up this Covid 19 vaccine that is ready for distribution in unbelievable time. Nationwide consumption… (dems will of course say NO, Biden made the success, & take credit) Go ahead, tear down my statement.

Crazy odds, A successful vaccine in less than 1 year!! President Trump DID IT… :relaxed:

Biden (if elected) can’t wait to tear down all the good accomplishments of Trump. With help from all Biden socialist advisors, we’re back to Obama days. POOR US!!

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Yeah, not the scientists. Of course not. They’re all “lib elites”

He actually did speed up the stage 3 trials though, by keeping the virus at such high levels the trials were able to go faster. Of course, more people died than necessary and there was more economic destruction than necessary. That’s Obama and Biden’s fault, though.

Isnt the Surgeon General the President’s top medical adviser?

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This is a Harvard doc who’s been advocating for widely available rapid tests, ala pregnancy or similar tests you can use at home.

Ct Values: How They Should be Assessed for SARS CoV 2 (COVID 19 PCR Testing vs. Rapid Antigen Tests) - YouTube (Highlights, short)
At Home COVID 19 Antigen Testing and Vaccine Update with Harvard Prof. Michael Mina, MD - YouTube (Long interview, esp Q&A at the end)

He mentions that nearly 3/4 of all PCR positives are at such a low level that they are not infectious and nearly all of those are on the back end post-infection rather than on the brief exponential growth phase going into the infectious peak.

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Boy I can’t keep track of all the Democratic leadership we’ve been seeing regarding this pandemic. First you make a bunch of over the top dumb rules, then you don’t bother to follow them.

I wonder if they’re all just super-spreading selfish hypocritical sociopaths, or if they intended most of these lockdowns as political theatre / election ploys and hence don’t believe in following them. Tough call, right?

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