If you put out 10M viral particles by breathing while contagious and your crappy mask stops 100k of them, do you think it will matter? That’s like saying when the house is on fire, throwing a bucket of water on it helps. Well maybe it would be a step in the right direction if you could scale it way up, but with a small bucket, the house still burns down all the same.
It only takes a few 1000s of viral particles of exposure for someone to get infected. Stopping a small number of them isn’t going to stop the pandemic. And it has been tried and it absolutely has not stopped it, and not for lack of trying in places with very high mask compliance as I said.
As for your “covidiot” business, someone said that covid was a very bad cold that has since mutated into a mental disorder. Are you sure you didn’t get infected with the latest strain?
Now a string of unearthed emails—the most recent being a batch viewed by the House Oversight and Reform Committee and referred to in its January 11, 2022 letter—is making it seem increasingly likely that there was, in fact, a conspiracy, its aim being to suppress the notion that the virus had emerged from research funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), headed by Anthony Fauci. The latest emails don’t prove such a conspiracy, but they make it more plausible, for two reasons: because the expert virologists therein present such a strong case for thinking that the virus had lab-made features and because of the wholly political reaction to this bombshell on the part of Francis Collins, then-director of the National Institutes of Health.
This is exactly what im talking about.
Zero ability to judge any information that goes against their predetermined political beliefs. Hence the pathological part of my above statements.
I took the study you posted. Showed how even tho it’s seriously flawed to favor the anti-mask crowd it still showed efficacy. At less than 50% adoption.
We all know. If there are masks with viruses inside them. They do work. This has been agreed to … no ?
Shouldn’t you show us how they don’t work since we all agree about viruses IN THE MASK is PROOF that it works.
If your water pipe burst and you manage to slow it down a little by wrapping it with ducktape, would you say that the ducktape worked?
And don’t pick on me, I’ve been wearing a mask since the beginning and haven’t taken it off yet. But I’ve never worn a cloth mask, mostly surgical and sometimes N95, and now I’ve upgraded to N95 only.
First of all, you do realize that there are multiple people posting here, right?
Second, you havent shown anything. You just post passive-aggressive questions about what others have posted, then parse some quotes of others and declare that to be proof of how your so obviously correct and they’re wrong. Then toss in a couple petty insults just to reinforce how right you must be.
You are correct in that your statements are quite pathological, though.
It’s all “vague” how I’m wrong. But I point out exactly how I’m both correct n the poster cannot actually show masks don’t work without mischaracterizing the study or the facts surrounding it.
Masks work. You cannot prove that they don’t because they do. The slow the spread. The also help reduce the seriousness of the infection.
Both of these are patently obvious.
The original question still stands. Why the repeated attacks ? Is it pathological ?
If you’d like. Number your questions or assertions on how masks don’t work. I’ll takem 1 at a time.
Roundup on various recent trends and observations lately.
BA2 variant of O appears to be about 2x as transmissible but not obviously worse for outcomes. It’s already here in the US, but unlike the original O, it doesn’t have the S gene knockout so it’s harder to tell apart from Delta on the PCR tests.
trying to avoid O is getting very difficult and will likely be moreso with the new BA2 version. Inflection rate for those who were specifically taking many extra precautions and trying to avoid exposure was only 25% lower than in the general population. I kinda doubt there people were wearing N95s for all outside encounters tho…
FDA pulled several monoclonals’ EUAs since they are not expected to work on O, and 99% of our new cases are O these days. There are some that work on O, but supplies are quite limited, like with the Pfizer antiviral pill. They expanded the remdesivir EUA to include kids and early outpatient IV treatment for those at high risk (which seems to work pretty well).
boosters help, esp vs O, for those who haven’t yet had covid. In addition, getting a different booster type (ie JNJ or MNRA if you had PFE originally, etc) showed equal or better immune response than getting the 3rd dose of the same kind as the first two.
I’m not quite how to square the fairly high persistent death rates with a range of other data that suggests that O is a less serious disease comparatively. Maybe some of it is residual deaths from Delta taking time to happen, maybe some is the US population being fairly unhealthy (vs much better global outcomes), maybe some of it is getting lots of O cases all at once and it’s not that much friendlier against the remaining unvaxxed.
Ok, there’s two different definitions of “work” here.
You are arguing that if one mask captures one particle of virus, then masks inherently work. Another thing that also “works”? Holding your breath. Another thing that works? Forcing everyone to remain in their homes under the threat of being shot should they walk out their front door.
Everyone else is referring to masks “working” as a public health tool. Where a small reduction in viral particles has zero effect on public health, where mask mandates have had little-to-no effect on public health outcomes. Lots of things technically “work”, but are wholely ineffective at accomplishing whatever they’re intended to accomplish.
Its called context, and that comes from reading comprehension. So again, if you would read what’s been written and try to understand it, rather than decide your response then look to find a partial quote to which you can apply that response to, this might have the makings of an actual discussion. Until that happens, you are trying to prove yourself right by throwing insults and yelling the loudest. Which only makes you to be the village idiot.
The original question was answered. And you’ve proceeded to repeatedly validate how on point that answer was.
Why the repeated attacks? Is it pathological? We’re all sitting here waiting for you to answer that, since all the pathological attacks have come from you.
Fauci was against them before he was for them? They had lots of trials showing they didn’t do much, if anything, against flu and other respiratory viruses. Droplet born things, maybe, but not airborne ones.
Agree. Except the data does in fact show masking effective as a public health tool. Masks work.
I might have not been clear enough. We know masks do work from the viruses in the mask. Do they work enough ?
You cant have that convo when the covidiots yap that they do not work at all.
Why ? Why the continued use of the strawmen ? Is it a pathological thing ? It has to be … and no … the question hasnt been answered.
Why cant they have a conversation without strawmen ? Is it simply any logical convo would lead them to have to acknowledge their own fears ?
Anyways. Mask compliance being low. How do we properly evaluate if masks do work ?
The rule of large numbers ? Large enough sample size should point one way or another. Should. But we also have the 80/20 rule/law. It SHOULD apply to covid cases too. 80% of new cases caused by 20% of the ppl. Well if a few of those unmasked ppl happen to be in that 20% of ppl who are super spreaders. That invalidates everything does it not ? Ugh.
Im not a fan of the little weasel. Hes got the same look in his eyes as peter strzok fired fbi guy.
Anyways … youd have to ask fuchi yourself about being against before being for. Masks were scarce then. Saving for first responders maybe ? Maybe he got additional info since n changed his mind ?
The lockdowns during the early phase of the pandemic in 2020 reduced COVID-19 mortality by about 0.2%, said the broad review of multiple scientific studies. “We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” the researchers wrote. But the research paper said lockdowns did have “devastating effects” on the economy and contributed to numerous social ills. “They have contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy,” the report said.
it wasn’t the information I offered that made people love or hate my feed—and me. It was my tone: enraged at the lockdowns, prodding, often sarcastic. I didn’t treat the epidemic with fear. Instead I insisted that “virus gonna virus.” I wrote about “Team Reality” and “Team Apocalypse.”
our response to the coronavirus is the worst public policy mistake worldwide in at least a century, since World War I, when Europe’s leaders sent mil- lions of young men to their graves for reasons they couldn’t even explain. A generation after the fall of the Berlin Wall, we have run the other way, tearing up human liberty around the world.
Ever wonder why the Biden admin has made such a hash up of the virus? Let’s start with his HHS diversity hire, but don’t take my word for it - listen to the liberals complain -
The Administration is rightly under fire for being unprepared for Covid’s Omicron surge, and Mr. Becerra’s agency is at the center of a testing and treatment shortage that has resulted in preventable deaths
According to a cast of anonymous dozens in a Washington Post story, the Biden Administration is “frustrated” with Mr. Becerra’s failure to “coordinat[e] the nation’s vast health bureaucracy” to handle the virus, allowing “confusing and sometimes conflicting messages.” The HHS chief is accused of being in over his head and, according to one unnamed senior Administration official
We wonder what the White House expected in naming a progressive lawyer, with no healthcare experience, to run a sprawling $1.5 trillion agency charged with overseeing Mr. Biden’s campaign promise to “shut down the virus.” Mr. Becerra’s tenure [as California’s Attorney General] was notable mainly for filing some 100 lawsuits against the Trump Administration, and endorsing Medicare for All.
President Biden had many more capable candidates for HHS, but he caved to woke pressure to appoint a progressive Hispanic… The problem with putting identity above qualifications is that you can’t get rid of an appointee even if he proves to be incompetent.
Need a positive rapid test to get out of school or work? What about an uncomfortable family event or a vaccine mandate? Many soda drinks will do the job.
Recent reports have questioned the reliability of LFD results when performed by members of the public in unsupervised settings compared with more controlled (2, 6, 7). Our study finds it plausible that LFD results could be falsified by putting soft drinks instead of sample-washed buffer in the well of the device – as described on social media by school pupils
The mechanism of action of the false positive LFD results in our study is not yet obvious. It did not appear to be related to the acidity of the sample, the sugar content or artificial sweeteners… Caution is advised when interpreting data from unsupervised SARS-CoV-2 LFD tests.
Although some here will dismiss this as more “pathological” denial by “covidiots”, I’m glad to see more and more articles being published that use logic and reason, rather than fear and paranoia. If even Time is getting on board, there may still be hope that wiser heads will finally prevail.
