Does the coronavirus merit investment, or personal, concern or consideration?

Except it was not made up, it was taken from pre-existing CDC guidelines:

Source. They used this existing medical personnel guidance for everyone. And heck, if they said that medics have to stay 6 feet apart while everyone else can lick each other’s faces, you would be just as outraged. I would be.

And the CDC guidelines were just made up.

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That may be true, but at the time it was probably the best (or even the only) guidance available, known and practiced by medics. And it will remain so, unless and until some better peer-reviewed and widely accepted research shows something different and not “made up.”

I think the WHO used 1m (~3 feet), and that too may be made up.

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I think you may be missing the point. it isnt so much about it being made up, it’s all the subsequent stuff based on that made-up ‘guidelines’. Including the self-righteous indignation when anyone dare to question the validity of those made up “facts”. They were essentially bluffing, and kept doubling down with any attempt to call the bluff.

Some of us: “This application is stupid and makes no sense.”
Them: “But you still HAVE to do it to stay safe, you wannabe grandma killer!”

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Maybe I am missing the point, because it seems like your protest only has any validity if you assume that the guidance was made up. However, if you assume that the guidance was the best available, then everything that was derived from it was also the best available.

And when some said “this application is stupid and makes no sense,” to “them” it sounded like “2+2=3”.

If we had another similar pandemic again, I don’t think the guidelines would be any different. It’s not enough to just question the rules, you need proof. We’d likely need some CDC or NIH paper that showed what actually works and what doesn’t, and I’m not sure such a thing exists.

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“Made up” and “best available” are not mutually exclusive terms. Guesses are inherently made up, even if educated.

Instead, try “made up” and “fact”, which are, but were often used synonymously to sell the guidance and subsequent mandates.

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There had been pandemics in the past and never had anyone reacted by shutting down the economy. Quarantines rarely, sanitation measures sure. Even the official cdc / who guidance said not to shut things down.

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Have you studied this subject thoroughly? Some past pandemics were extremely deadly. Perhaps we learned from past mistakes? And it’s not like the USA was the only country to shut down the economy – China turned entire cities into prisons.

You are forgetting that there was a perfectly good reason to shut everything down quickly, and the reason was that hospitals were being overwhelmed.

But that’s steering off point, which was a claim that the social distancing guidance was just made up, even though it wasn’t.

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??? Exactly what is the definition of social distancing? How does it relate to physical distancing?

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It’s the physical distancing of you from your social group :smile:

More genetic evidence of lab origin, specifically an old research proposal to create new coronaviruses in the lab (from the US groups associated with Wuhan), and furthermore the methods proposed produce a genetic sequence with properties that look exactly like Covid.

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Internal emails from Amazon released by Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) show that the Biden administration pressured the company to censor books the administration had deemed “propaganda” and “misinformation.” The New York Post reports:

Update: The Daily Signal’s Tyler O’Neil has identified the book the Biden administration wanted to ban as “Anyone Who Tells You Vaccines Are Safe and Effective Is Lying,” by Dr. Vernon Coleman. The book’s description, which is currently available on Amazon, reads: " The facts about vaccination - so that you can make up your own mind. Dr Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA has been researching and writing about vaccines for 50 years. He has lectured doctors and nurses on the subject. He used to debate vaccination on TV and radio but won every public debate and these days vaccine supporters will no longer debate with him."

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Beating a dead bat

SARS-CoV-2 is a bat sarbecovirus that emerged in Wuhan far from the hotspots of wildlife bat sarbecoviruses, in a city without bats, at the doorstep of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the largest repository of bat sarbecoviruses in the world.

SARS-CoV-2 emerged in Wuhan with a furin cleavage site never before seen in a sarbecovirus. It needs to be emphasized that, to the best of our global knowledge, “sarbecovirus with furin cleavage site” did not exist in nature before 2020, but it did exist in a grant proposal to make something not found in nature, and that biological novelty was proposed to be made in Wuhan. The exact furin cleavage site found in SARS-CoV-2 is found in another protein, a protein called alpha-ENaC found in humans and studied heavily at the same university (UNC) as one of the PI’s of DEFUSE.

In 2022, Valentin Bruttel and Tony Van Dongen noticed an unusual pattern in the SARS-CoV-2 genome. Two of the most popular bioengineering scissors used to make reverse genetics systems - BsaI and BsmBI - appear to cleave the SARS-CoV-2 genome into 6 segments, and this would make for a highly efficient reverse genetics system. SARS-CoV-2 appears to a bioengineer like an IKEA virus, as if someone had already put time into making sure it could be easily assembled with readily available tools. We quantified the odds of this pattern appearing in nature and wrote a paper documenting the endonuclease fingerprint in the genome of SARS-CoV-2. Not only is the spatial arrangement of these cutting/pasting sites highly unusual, but the mutations that move them around are exclusively the mutations bioengineers used in prior work

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If you thought the world was getting more stupid, maybe you’re not wrong.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2311330

global cognitive score in the groups of participants who had symptoms that had resolved, as compared with the no–Covid-19 group… would equate to a difference of −3 points on a typical IQ scale

Participants with unresolved persistent symptoms [were twice as bad, ie -6 IQ pts]

ICU admission was associated with larger cognitive differences relative to the no–Covid-19 group… equivalent to a difference of −9 IQ points

The memory, reasoning, and executive function (i.e., planning) tasks were among the most sensitive to Covid-19–related cognitive differences… Early periods of the pandemic, longer illness duration, and hospitalization had the strongest associations with global cognitive deficits.

The real problem was the stupid guys doing gain do function research to create this mess in the first place.

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Turns out that horse dewormer was good for you after all, but they delayed and rejiggered the study for years til it didn’t matter and no one cares. All the big Pharma billions are in some execs or shareholders’ pocket and the taxpayers footed the bill as always.

A breakdown of the sleazy trial tricks they used

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Does FDA have any credibility left?

We are extremely pleased with the outcome of the settlement as it is a victory for every doctor and patient in the United States ,” added Dr. Paul Marik, chief scientific officer of the FLCCC Alliance and another plaintiff. “The FDA interfered in the practice of medicine with their irresponsible language and posts about ivermectin. We will never know how many lives were affected because patients were denied access to a lifesaving treatment because their doctor was ‘just following the FDA.’”

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Yes, the US taxpayer did fund gain of function research on coronaviruses at Wuhan, NIH officials finally admit. “Mistakes were made”

This was back in 2021 when they were first questioned on it and attempted a coverup -

He did not describe it as gain-of-function research — but disclosed that EcoHealth “failed to report” the bat coronaviruses modified with SARS and MERS viruses had been made 10,000 times more infectious, in violation of its grant terms.

The NIH scrubbed its website of a longstanding definition for gain-of-function research the same day that the letter was sent.

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Fauci and fellow conspirators caught using private email accounts to evade FOIA. They use the handy “death threats” defense. MTG asks “who was your email consultant, Hillary Clinton”?:thinking:

https://www.science.org/content/article/house-panel-takes-fauci-adviser-task-allegedly-evading-public-records-laws

House panel takes Fauci adviser to task for allegedly evading public records laws

Hearing lambasting federal scientist follows suspension of EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak

Under fire was David Morens, an infectious disease expert who advised Fauci for 24 year. Morens is now on administrative leave after it became public that he used personal email accounts to correspond with Daszak, as well as other researchers, about the 2020 suspension of a controversial NIAID grant to EcoHealth and its subsequent reinstatement.

That $3.1 million grant included a $600,000 subaward to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) for bat virus experiments that Republicans on the subcommittee claim created SARS-CoV-2 despite an absence of direct evidence. The grant was initially killed, after then-President Donald Trump publicly said it should be cut, and then reinstated but suspendedby the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Last year, NIH restored a new version of the grant that did not include WIV.

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They just had to slip that bolded part in there, didnt they? I miss the days of arguing over pornography, where the standard was set at “you know it when you see it”.

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3 years late NYT publishes that Covid was most likely a lab leak.

There’s an election coming up, time to let bygones be bygones.

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