Social credit in America - Politics invades personal finance

[glitch99]

@Loren

On the other hand, I’m in the camp that thinks there is no such thing as homosexuality or heterosexuality. Rather, I believe we have two systems–one for being attracted to males and one for being attracted to females.

I wouldnt even go that far. Each person is attracted to whatever they’re attracted to. Being “attracted to females” isnt really a thing (its too generic) - case in point, I know lots of females I am attracted to and a ton of females that I definately am not attracted to. People are attracted to certain qualities and characteristics, not gender. Those characteristics may tend to reside in one gender over the other, but they are not universal, or even mutually exclusive, to that gender.

@Loren

When it comes from other students it’s a form of bullying–and schools have a very bad track record in dealing with bullying.

Then maybe we should be trying to solve that problem, rather than trying to solve it for only a special subset of those being bullied?

@Loren

The primary cause of mass violence events is news about mass violence events.

Then why do you always make it such a spectacle when it does happen? Wouldnt the appropriate response be to treat it like TV networks treat streakers at a ball game? According to this comment, making it the primary focus of multiple news cycles only perpetuates more occurances.

@Loren

And note that most mass violence events are forms of suicide–for triggers look for people who are being driven to suicide.

I dont disagree, that was the entire point of my comment. I’m looking at those being told their feelings dont matter and are second rate to other certain special groups of people.

@Loren

At the biocheemical level there’s an awful lot of rube goldberg stuff in the body, chains with many steps to accomplish something. Every step is a situation where something could go wrong. Most of these you’ll never see because they’re lethal, but if a defect isn’t incompatible with life you’ll probably see it in somebody.

The intended benefactors of the transgender rights movement are not those anomalies. The benefactors are those with psychological conditions, which we are now expected to indulge rather than treat.

[Loren]

@glitch99

I wouldnt even go that far. Each person is attracted to whatever they’re attracted to. Being “attracted to females” isnt really a thing (its too generic) - case in point, I know lots of females I am attracted to and a ton of females that I definately am not attracted to. People are attracted to certain qualities and characteristics, not gender. Those characteristics may tend to reside in one gender over the other, but they are universal, or even mutually exclusive, to that gender.

I half agree. For most men female features are a required characteristic but not sufficient for attraction.

@glitch99

Then maybe we should be trying to solve that problem, rather than trying to solve it for only a special subset of those being bullied?

What we have is some parents applying laws meant for other purposes to try to protect their kids.

@glitch99

Then why do you always make it such a spectacle when it does happen? Wouldnt the appropriate response be to treat it like TV networks treat streakers at a ball game? According to this comment, making it the primary focus of multiple news cycles only perpetuates more occurances.

I’m not a reporter, don’t blame me.

@glitch99

The intended benefactors of the transgender rights movement are not those anomalies. The benefactors are those with psychological conditions, which we are now expected to indulge rather than treat.

We have no treatment. Conversion therapy just makes a mess, it doesn’t work.

[onenote]

I hope the firefighter lawyers up.

San Francisco firefighter faces disciplinary action for wearing 'Let's Go...

In a related case, from Palo Alto down the peninsula from Frisco

Five Palo Alto officers sue city over Black Lives Matter mural

[xerty]

@onenote

I hope the firefighter lawyers up.

While it’s not true nationally, CA forbids discrimination by employers against a wide range of political activities by employees that would seem to cover this situation.

Political Affiliation Discrimination – Is It Illegal?

Of course if the CA legislature was writing those bills today, I’m sure it’d read more like their proposed covid regulations, where doctors can be stripped of their license for having different opinions than the CA regulators, and the political activism at work would be protected only if you were left or far left.

[Loren]

@xerty

Of course if the CA legislature was writing those bills today, I’m sure it’d read more like their proposed covid regulations, where doctors can be stripped of their license for having different opinions than the CA regulators, and the political activism at work would be protected only if you were left or far left.

Doctors can be stripped of their licenses for supporting medical treatments that have been disproven, not merely a matter of opinion. You don’t get to make up your own facts, both Invermectin and Hydrochloroquine show a bit of benefit in the lab but it doesn’t translate into any use in the field because the effective dose is far above the lethal dose. Killing pathogens is easy, killing them without killing the patient is the tricky part.

[xerty]

@Loren

Killing pathogens is easy, killing them without killing the patient is the tricky part.

Actually, the tricky part for ivermectin is getting the results that show it works well published. Or in many cases, after it was peer reviewed and published, keeping it from being inexplicably retracted by the editor for a phat Pharma paycheck, despite them not raising any issues with the evidence or methodology in their retraction but “just didn’t agree with the conclusion” that might be a worthwhile covid treatment.

Plenty of examples here

Does the coronavirus merit investment, or personal, concern or consideration?

How various journals and even preprint servers cooked up bogus excuses to censor studies on ivermectin.

[glitch99]

@Loren

Doctors can be stripped of their licenses for supporting medical treatments that have been disproven , not merely a matter of opinion. You don’t get to make up your own facts, both Invermectin and Hydrochloroquine show a bit of benefit in the lab but it doesn’t translate into any use in the field because the effective dose is far above the lethal dose. Killing pathogens is easy, killing them without killing the patient is the tricky part.

Wait a minute. The popular refrain has been to laugh about Invermectin being horse dewormer and how it’s so stupid to think it might have an effect on covid. You comment is the first in 2 years that I’ve heard claiming that it is effective but only in lethal dosages.

The best thing that’s been said in support of rejecting many of the pro-Invermectin studies has been that their results were inconclusive and not statistically significant. That is about as far as you can get from conclusively disproving the possible effectiveness.

I think that had your comment been the argument against either of those drugs, many many more people would’ve respected that conclusion. But it wasnt. Not even close.

[onenote]

@Loren

You don’t get to make up your own facts, both Invermectin and Hydrochloroquine show a bit of benefit in the lab but it doesn’t translate into any use in the field because the effective dose is far above the lethal dose. Killing pathogens is easy, killing them without killing the patient is the tricky part.

What is your reference for this claim? Simply stating something without proof does not further the discussion.

[meed18]

@Loren

I said a race–not “as extreme as possible” but “more extreme than the other state”.

You weren’t making a state by state comparison. We can read what you wrote.

@Loren

Even if there are isolate cases it’s irrelevant.

But that’s the thing. It is relevant. Because parents say so. Whether its isolated cases, or those cases are a sample and it is becoming common, parents are upset about it, either way.

@Loren

Or should we require pre-approval of everything a priest says because some are pedophiles?

Kids are much more likely to be sexually assaulted by a pedophile in school than in church.

@Loren

the only “help” this will be is in causing more suicides.

There is no conclusive data that kids are more likely to kill themselves if they aren’t allowed to transition as a kid than if they are allowed to. Why do you keep repeating this claim as if it is based in statistical fact?

@Loren

The conservatives are trying to throw away everything we have learned about people since then and go back to an illusion. That illusion will make the parents happier but it harms the kids.

@Loren

They’re careful not to be quite so clear about it–rather, it’s about not teaching things that might disturb the kids. Sorry, but what man has done to man is disturbing.

No one is trying to go back to an illusion. No one is trying to stop the teaching of the historical atrocities of our country. If you can’t point to a law that is outlawing this teaching, you are making a claim that conservatives want to do something out of thin air. You can’t claim that “conservatives are in a race to pass the most extreme measures” and then, as an example claim they don’t want to teach certain history, and then, when asked to produce one of these passed measures, just say, “they’re careful not to be clear about it.” That means that the measure you are claiming exist DON’T ACTUALLY EXIST, and you are just making it up.

@Loren

Teaching what actually happened could be disturbing to the child of white supremacists.

Where have you heard anyone say that they are concerned for the feelings of the kids of white supremacists? Or are you just trying to say that any parent voting for a conservative school board member is a white supremacist? Are you calling me a white supremacist?

@Loren

Since there aren’t teachers deliberately doing that there’s no reason for such a law.

But we’re told constantly by teachers that “don’t say gay” will mean they can’t answer kids questions like this that pop up. Clearly there are teachers answering these questions. So stop avoiding MY actual question by claiming teachers aren’t doing the thing that the teachers themselves are upset they won’t have the ability to do.

@Loren

And the parents fall down on the job badly.

Says who? What is your belief on this based on?

@Loren

And this isn’t biology, it’s basic anatomy.

I never took a “basic anatomy” that included informations about genitals in elementary school. I never once learned anything about genitals from a teacher in elementary school. Teaching about genitals in elementary school is not basic anatomy.

“The circulatory system (cardiovascular system) pumps blood from the heart to the lungs to get oxygen.”
is basic elementary school anatomy
“The circulatory system pumps blood into your penis to make it erect when you are sexually aroused.”
is NOT basic elementary school anatomy

@Loren

That is the effect of many of their policies–keeping kids in the dark helps abusers.

30 year ago, not being taught the “basic anatomy” about genitals you claim is fine for elementary school kids to learn, I had no problem avoiding pedophiles. Why exactly do kids need to learn anything about their genitals from teachers vs. parents in order to be safe from abusers? We all learned about “stranger danger” (which was mostly bunk) back in the 90s without any specific mentions of anything beyond the word “private parts” and we turned out fine. Why exactly do you think we should be more specific with kids now?

@Loren

Whether it’s through intent or ignorance I do not know.

There is no evidence that the policies conservatives advocate helps abusers - I have no idea where you are even remotely drawing that conclusion. I’m pretty familiar with the crazy claims from the left, but I’ve never even heard that one. But to claim that there is even a remote chance that the intent of conservatives is for more children to be abused is a downright evil claim. Why should we even respond to you when you make a claim like that based on nothing?

@Loren

Strawman! I said nothing about beliefs. I said about facts–a lot of their stuff is lies and deception. Whether they are the ones perpetuating it or simply repeating what they have been told I do not know.

The vast majority of what libs of tik tok posts is just a lib talking directly to the camera saying what they think or do. Either those things are fake, or they are real. If you are claiming libs of tik tok is lying, then you are claiming libs of tik tok is posting fake videos - people that aren’t really libs saying things they don’t actually think or do. Libs of tik tok isn’t the daily wire - she doesn’t write articles. How else can she lie besides posting fake videos of libs? Are you not actually familiar with what she posts?

@Loren

As for how many hysterectomies were medical in nature–it’s unlikely that we can check this. However, the fact that the way the data was presented leaves this possibility open makes me think the answer is 100%–if it wasn’t I would expect the data to have been presented differently.

What data? they didn’t present anything to assure people it was 100% medical. that would be the first thing i would do if i were them and that were the case.

@Loren

(And note that you don’t know the meaning of “elective”–in medical terminology “elective” covers anything that’s scheduled. The opposite is “STAT”, not “necessary”.)

It can mean both. It can mean something that isn’t urgent. But it can also mean something that isn’t necessary. Elective | definition of elective by Medical dictionary.

@Loren

Gender & sex are not malleable, but there are cases where the mental picture doesn’t match the physical one

We don’t disagree about this. What we disagree about is what should be done in these cases. Are you opposed to laws that stop teachers from doing something about this mental/physical disconnection that is in opposition to what the parents of those kids want to do?

@Loren

And nobody is trying to explore sexuality at a young age–the conservatives want kids to know absolutely nothing, the liberals want them to have an age-appropriate understanding of their bodies.

Then why are you opposed to laws that specifically use the term “age-appropriate” when referring to what kids should learn in school about sex?

[glitch99]

@meed18

I never took a “basic anatomy” that included informations about genitals in elementary school.

I did however take a math class in jr high that provided such information… It was the day after the episode of Seinfeld aired where Jerry dated a girl who’s name rhymed with a female body part. And her name ended up being Dolores. After so many asked the question, the teacher wrote the relevant body part on the board and then refused to elaborate any further.

[meed18]

@glitch99

I did however take a math class in jr high that provided such information… It was the day after the episode of Seinfeld aired where Jerry dated a girl who’s name rhymed with a female body part. And her name ended up being Dolores. After so many asked the question, the teacher wrote the relevant body part on the board and then refused to elaborate any further.

That episode first aired in 1993. I was in 5th grade, so I don’t remember if I watched it when it first came out, but I became a seinfeld fan from watching episodes in syndication not long after that. I too have a memory of not getting a lot of the jokes like that the first time I watched it. According to @Loren, I must be fortunate that I didn’t get preyed upon by a pedophile, because not knowing “basic anatomy” meant there was no way I could have rebuffed their advances.

Also, funny story about that episode, Jerry yelling out “Dolores” at the end wasn’t originally in the script. The Famous Seinfeld Line An Audience Member Made Up

[scripta]

@xerty

CA forbids discrimination by employers against a wide range of political activities by employees that would seem to cover this situation.

No, it shouldn’t cover this situation. The following is mentioned at the link you provided, and should be obvious:

Generally speaking, California’s political workplace retaliation law protects employees’ right to engage in non-job-related, political activity outside of work.

[xerty]

Sounds like in CA it may depend whether they tolerate pro-Brandon apparel but not anti, or similar. Neutral workplace policies seem generally allowed.

CDF Labor Law LLP

[scripta]

It’s all going to come down to whether his shirt violated workplace policies, like job uniform and political expression while on the job.

[glitch99]

@scripta

whether his shirt violated workplace policies, like job uniform and political expression while on the job.

And if he has a nephew named Brandon playing in a big football game that weekend?

[scripta]

And if his name was Brandon and the shirt was a (gag?) gift from his coworkers?

[Loren]

@xerty

Actually, the tricky part for ivermectin is getting the results that show it works well published.

There are no studies showing it works outside the petri dish. All the “studies” showing it works in people had serious problems, they get on the pre-print servers, the right wing crows about them, then they get pulled because the flaws are discovered.

@glitch99

Wait a minute. The popular refrain has been to laugh about Invermectin being horse dewormer and how it’s so stupid to think it might have an effect on covid. You comment is the first in 2 years that I’ve heard claiming that it is effective but only in lethal dosages.

XKCD nailed it years ago–saying that something kills the bad thing in lab isn’t useful–remember, so does a handgun. In sufficient quantity anything will kill. (Yes, everything. LD50 for water is 90g/kg, diving depth is limited by reaching a point where everything becomes toxic.)

@meed18

Kids are much more likely to be sexually assaulted by a pedophile in school than in church.

You have it backwards. The greatest threat is family and religious figures.

@meed18

Where have you heard anyone say that they are concerned for the feelings of the kids of white supremacists? Or are you just trying to say that any parent voting for a conservative school board member is a white supremacist? Are you calling me a white supremacist?

The point is that the way the law is written it prohibits teaching about things like Jim Crow.

@meed18

But we’re told constantly by teachers that “don’t say gay” will mean they can’t answer kids questions like this that pop up. Clearly there are teachers answering these questions. So stop avoiding MY actual question by claiming teachers aren’t doing the thing that the teachers themselves are upset they won’t have the ability to do.

So what are teachers supposed to do when asked questions?

@meed18

30 year ago, not being taught the “basic anatomy” about genitals you claim is fine for elementary school kids to learn, I had no problem avoiding pedophiles. Why exactly do kids need to learn anything about their genitals from teachers vs. parents in order to be safe from abusers?

The parents should do it, they often don’t.

@meed18

What data? they didn’t present anything to assure people it was 100% medical. that would be the first thing i would do if i were them and that were the case.

They can’t present protected health information!

[xerty]

@Loren

There are no studies showing it works outside the petri dish

The great thing about grand sweeping claims is that they’re so easy to refute. Here’s a big Brazilian study of several 100k people showing how ivermectin worked in early or preventative treatment.

Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective,...

When adjusted for residual variables, reduction in mortality rate was 70% (RR, 0.30; 95% CI, 0.19-0.46; p < 0.0001).

After adjustment for residual variables, reduction in hospitalization rate was 67% (RR, 0.33; 95% CI, 023-0.66; p < 0.0001).

The best the journal could do is get a “conflicts of interest” warning slapped on the authors for being part of the non profit FLCCC that promotes ivermectin… because of papers like this that show it works? Plus ivermectin is generic and dirt cheap, so it’s not like anyone’s making any money off a few more horse paste loving zealots out there, unlike say the $50B last quarter Pfizer made on covid government contracts. Judge the conflicts of interest for yourself.

[Loren]

@xerty

The best the journal could do is get a “conflicts of interest” warning slapped on the authors for being part of the non profit FLCCC that promotes ivermectin… because of papers like this that show it works? Plus ivermectin is generic and dirt cheap, so it’s not like anyone’s making any money off a few more horse paste loving zealots out there, unlike say the $50B last quarter Pfizer made on covid government contracts. Judge the conflicts of interest for yourself.

Note that your link is to an article that has been corrected because it was wrong. That’s a journal that publishes before peer review, thus it should be given no more credibility than something on a pre-print server.

And FLCCC is a major conflict, they’ve basically self-declared they’re nuts.

[xerty]

@Loren

has been corrected because it was wrong

What was wrong with that paper in your opinion?

@Loren

And FLCCC is a major conflict, they’ve basically self-declared they’re nuts.

Being a member of the Wrong Party, which makes you definitely nuts, isn’t a conflict of interest. It just means you don’t like their group affiliation.

Conflicts of interest are for disclosing monetary incentives relevant to the research, like getting grant money or salary or consulting from the drug company whose drug you’re testing. As I said, FLCCC is a non profit so I don’t see how that’s a monetary conflict of interest. Plus, since the drug in this case is ivermectin, which is practically free and mostly made in India, unless you’re implying a complex international conspiracy to promote ivermectin sales with Indian kickbacks going to the FLCCC doctors, I think you’re off base here.

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The FLCCC Alliance is a 501c3 non-profit organization. Donations are tax deductible to the full extent of the law. Our EIN is 85-2270146.

2020 Form 990

You can see from their tax returns that they paid just over $100k in expenses, so that’s just not a lot of conflict for salaries across over a dozen career medical professionals, if they got anything at all aside from things like travel expenses.