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Probably not. Except maybe weed. I’m sure some existing psychiatric meds might help some, if anyone had any interest in actually treating the condition.

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It appears that identifying people who don’t switch genders as “normal”, as you did, is classified as hate speech, and worthy of cancellation. Be careful.

Says who?

Huh? I presume that you define “most” as greater than 50%. Please provide some sort of statistic to support your assertion that 50.1% of doctor visits are harmful.

Stuart Smalley

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You don’t understand.

Of doctor visits where something is actually done the rate of harm is pretty close to 100%. “Do no harm” makes no sense because pretty much everything a doctor does causes both harm and benefit. Seeking to do no harm is meaningless, doctors seek to maximize the net benefit.

The harm might be exceedingly tiny (the most benign intervention I can think of–admittedly, I’m not a doctor–is thyroid hormone replacement–but even that involves blood draws and that means the possibility of infection or bleeding) or it might be major (chemotherapy–most chemotherapy drugs are basically poison, just poisons that the tumor is more sensitive to than the rest of the body. Bone marrow transplant–last I knew, 20% mortality rate.)

Considering the fact that a huge proportion of people with gender dysphoria have depression and anxiety disorders, yes. There are lots of medicinal treatments for these folks.

I’ll take it one further. Vaginoplasties, phalloplasties, and breast augmentation done on minors and young adults will eventually be looked upon the way our current medical field looks back on lobotomies.

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The intentions were way misguided, but at least lobotomies were intended to resolve whatever psychiatric condition was being treated. Not manifest that mental condition by [literally] manufacturing a matching physical disability/deformity.

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Do no harm is in relation to the harm already being caused by the condition being treated - the potential harm of a blood draw is miniscule compared to the harm of the condition that draw is helping to treat. Gender affirmation “treatments” are only compounding the harm being done by the gender dysphoria condition, doing significant and unnecessary physical damage without even a superficial attempt to resolve the condition supposedly being treated.

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It sounds like you’re just guessing. I didn’t ask about depression and anxiety. Does everyone with gender dysphoria also have depression and anxiety? Are they all just coexisting symptoms, or does the dysphoria cause depression and anxiety? Point being, unless you actually know otherwise, just because we have medication for depression and anxiety doesn’t mean it helps with gender dysphoria.

I’ll take it sideways. I would think most of us would agree that female genital mutilation practiced in some back-asswards places is abhorrent, but what about circumcision? It is standard practice in the US and some other countries for both religious and supposedly medical reasons, but I think it’s just as barbaric as the former and can only hope it’s viewed the same way as lobotomies in the future.

I wasn’t going to say this until you did. You don’t just not understand. You don’t have a clue.

100% of doctor encounters result in something being done.

At least they’re being consistent.

Although I suspect it’s being allowed with the expectation it’s a phase that’ll be grown out of. I see no mention of this girl being encouraged to get claw implants to replace her fingers, or modify her voicebox to eliminate her ability to speak.

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And this is what it’s come to…

No, some visits only involve an examination and conclusion that everything’s ok. This is especially true of post-surgical visits.

Now, we’re getting somewhere.I can foresee Will they be assisting “pirates” with hooks and eyepatches … what about cutlasses and rapiers? Will whale hunters be encouraged to transition to peg legs … Lower the boats and row!

I’m not sure if you’re crawfishing and admitting that you were wrong in your assertion that

Or, are saying that an examination and direction to make no changes is “not where something is actually done”?

Whoa! Is this a MonkeyPox rule? That’s just wrong. There are lots of heterosexuals that use whipped cream.

I presume that whippets are small whips? So it’s not an attack on homosexuals. It’s an attack on ??? Who is this idiot?

Not sure if you’re being serious this time, because I could see this being something you really dont know since geese tend to have more common sense than human teenagers. A “whippet” is when you inhale the contents of an aerosol whipped cream canister.

It’s the equivalent of restricting the sale of mouthwash because kids are drinking it to try to get drunk.

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but what about circumcision? It is standard practice in the US and some other countries for both religious and supposedly medical reasons, but I think it’s just as barbaric as the former and can only hope it’s viewed the same way as lobotomies in the future.

I think that is a clear example of a thing that even though many of us thought it was completely normal as kids, are now NOT doing to our own children, because there isn’t a medical justification for it in the vast, vast majority of babies.

It isn’t viewed like a lobotomy yet, but won’t be surprised if it reaches that status within our lifetime.

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Guessing is literally what treating mental disorders is. There have been studies to see if certain meds help with bulimia and anorexia, and it turns out, in certain circumstances, they do.

Why shouldn’t we try that for kids with gender dysphoria before GUESSING that cutting off their breasts, penies, and vaginas will help? Both are guessing. When you are guessing what helps a girl with anorexa and you are presented with two options - give her prozac or knock her out with anesthesia to conduct a surgery in which you implant fat into her body, which one should we try first? The prozac or the permanently physically altering invasive surgery?

Great questions - the exact sort of questions gender clinicians should be asking and trying to find answers to. Would you be surprised to learn that one of the reasons the UK shut down the Tavistock gender clinic is because it was found that they essentially ignored the depression, anxiety, and even autism in their gender patients (and yes, gender dysphoric teens have been found to have higher rates of depression, anxiety, and austim that would suggest that there are linked co-morbidities). The NHS was able to shut down this clinic because they keep records and were able to get the data for this sort of thing. Nothing like this is remotely possible to research in the US. But based off of the increase that schools are seeing in youth transiton, it’s likely an even bigger problem here. Another problem that we have that is encouraging this that the UK didn’t have (and also points to this being a bigger problem here than the UK) is the profit motive. In the UK, it was purely the trans movement and wokeness pushing this. In the US, we have that same movement, (which I would argue is stronger on the left than in the UK, even if it hasn’t captured any gov’ts here except for places where democrats are in full control), plus the fact that gender clinics and surgeons are making a ton of money off this treatment.

Get a hundred men with circumcised penises and a hundred women that had their genitals mutilated together in a room and try to make that pronouncement. If you were lucky, the men would laugh at you and the women would just think you were a misogynist. If you got what you deserved, you’d be ridiculed incessantly by the men and beaten to a pulp by the women. Next you’re going to tell me that gay men have experienced the same sort of historical discrimination in the US as blacks.

It sounds like scripta needs to do a little more research of FGM before he starts comparing it to circumcision and you might want to do a little more research on lobotomies before you start making that comparison.

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It sounds like scripta needs to do a little more research of FGM before he starts comparing it to circumcision and you might want to do a little more research on lobotomies before you start making that comparison.

It sounds like you need to do a little more research on male circumcisions, and their history in our country, as well… (though i would agree they aren’t anywhere near as barbaric as FGM – but they are almost universally unnecessary and unjustified)