The 2020 USA POTUS election politics, the civil war, and the world war (Part 1)

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It’s perfectly appropriate, and he should do it. (Before someone complains I’m decreeing this, you’re asking my opinion here…) I haven’t seen anyone before say a US president shouldn’t say “Nazis are bad”. That seems to be some sort of ultra-liberal agenda you’ve created there. Way to the left of even AOC. “If any American citizens are Nazis, the President must respect and serve them, he can’t say Nazis or racists are bad, the president is to serve ALL Americans! Specifically, the President must also serve in support of the interests of any racists.”

Trump has said he denounces all racists and nazis. However, his other actions and statements are not consistent with denouncing the racist and terrorist groups. And actions are far more important than words.

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Ohhhhh…

(…unless you dont like the words, then it’s far more important to focus on just the words instead of any actual actions.)

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Two things can’t matter at the same time. That’s unpossible.
If one thing’s far more important than another, the other thing can’t possibly be important at all.

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Well you say “nothing” but then provide an example of at least one thing, so it’s not nothing. Gaining (or already having) their respect is at least one thing that Biden can do that Trump can’t. Biden could get together with the leaders/organizers of the peaceful protests and work something out. Once the peaceful protests dissipate, the looters&rioters who are exploiting those protests will too.

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So how come Trump can spend all day tweeting insults and denunciations of all kinds of people but never do so with Nazis and racists?

These people are specifically supporting Trump.

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“Nazis” isn’t a label or a stereotype. It’s a hate group, and they’re dangerous. I would think that most intelligent beings can see a clear distinction. It’s not just about their beliefs, it’s about the actions that such beliefs often lead to. I’m having a hard time believing you meant what you wrote.

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It’s also frequently tossed around as a catch-all label and stereotype.

Why wouldnt I believe it? It’s very hypocritical and disingenuous to judge one’s thoughts based on your own beliefs. Ok, not really - it’s only natural to do so; what’s hypocritical is to expect your own beliefs to invalidate someone else’s, while simultaneously criticizing those someones for not being “tolerant” and “inclusive”.

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And as I said, that’d be nothing more than bullying your preferred candidate into office. “We’re going to keep burning stuff down unless we get what we want!”

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You and Bendr really should try to get on the same page.

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Pretty much the BLM playbook. The rioting will continue until the polls improve, and after we lose, we’ll definitely not accept the election results.

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So you’re saying that those who criticize Nazis are themselves intolerant or hypocrites (because they’re intolerant of Nazis)?

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He does have experience under community organizers. :slight_smile:

Like the Portland Mayor or the public official who openly supported the protesters, but got the cops to protect her house/neighborhood? :slight_smile:

I understand what you’re saying, but disagree that the protesters (peaceful or not) will respect anyone 75+ years old, unless they’re handing out money, drugs, or guns … and that’s not respect, or even guaranteed peace.

And, in Portland supposed peaceful protests led to riots, destruction, looting and shooting. By that logic, protests should be banned in Portland.

I’m not trying to give you a hard time, but Nazi is a label. Every time the Democrats get desperate, or sadly, need money, they trot out the N word. It is usually followed by the R word, but in this case, it was reversed. This is why I think that Party Leader Biden’s internal polling must be going south faster than the teetotaler’s vodka rocks … and I’m not blaming the teetotaler totally. I would imbibe more than normal with a spouse like that.

The G-man speaks well for himself, but my 2&#162 are that you can criticize anyone you like for any reason you like, just like you can sue anyone you like. However, there is huge difference (and a fine line) in criticism and limitation.

I, and the majority of Americans, find burning the flag (as a protest) to be incredibly offensive. I wish that it were illegal. Since the Supreme Court has anointed themselves to be the final word on everything, even an amendment to the constitution would probably be struck down as a limitation on free speech. I don’t like it, but I don’t go around burning buildings, shooting people, looting, etc. as my peaceful protestation.

What’s next, banning Nazi symbols, tearing them from private property. But wait, that doesn’t solve the problem of people thinking like Nazis. What we really need are re-education camps. Now how do we do that? Hmm … just ask Russia and China. They’ve got lots of experience in trying to control people’s thoughts. Russia actually did a pretty good job of it, too.

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I can’t speak for @glitch99, but the what seems obvious to me is that he equated free speech with free speech. Oh I forgot your Democratedness. As someone (@shinobi or @pattyb53) mentioned earlier dictators/socialsists/communists/etc believe that free speech is only free when they agree with it.

You didn’t hear the backhaul … before they cleaned it up. He said fermented. :slight_smile: Kinda’ like Joe’s brain. You just gotta love Joe, just not for President. I will probably sound exactly the same when I’m 90.

First the most obvious humor - “But Biden indeed double down on an earlier” Joe must have written that. I heard he’s trading English for Ebonics to improve his street cred.

Wow! Their internal polls must look miserable. If whoever is doing his thinking actually believed any of this, it would have had some kind of a role in the DPM convention. Someone mentioned that it had very good ratings and could have been seen by many more people than a basement interview.

How can the Democrats get mileage out of this …
Joe Biden - putting votes ahead of lives, law, and order. There’s your bumper sticker. Just don’t drive into Portland with it. On second thought, don’t drive into Portland with or without it. Even if you have great insurance, peaceful protest damage is probably not covered. :slight_smile:

You set 'em up …

Lead the country? Really? He can’t even lead himself out of the closet … 'er 'uh basement … or the coat rack when his handlers put him there (and they’re grateful for that).

It was a topic, discussed in hushed tones by the two remaining Democrats who are not socialists. See above regarding Cuba as to why the topic was discussed in hushed tones.

Wow, really? Travel much? Where do you think Trump’s base is located? How big is it? And the kicker - how many of those are former KKK members. Let’s see … The former senator who has tons of bridges, highways, and buildings in WV is dead. He wasn’t just in the KKK, but an organizer … kind of like our last president. But I digress. Whoa!!! Are you saying a former Democrat Senator is endorsing President Trump? Why are we not hearing those headlines? I’ve seen a lot more crackpot headlines on this board. Where is that one?

Oh, never mind. Joe’s kid got on the blower with the ChiComms to squelch this blockbuster. It took over a million of them tweeting and posting nonsensical headlines about Nazis, but they’ve buried it. Good job, little Joe (no offense to Michael Landon).

So you’re saying he’s just like every other politician. But he’s not. He gets things done, even in the face of more flack, some from even in his own party than any president since Ronald Reagan.

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Batteries draining? That’s incorrect. The proper, state-approved quote is: “More government interference as Trump tries to hunt people:”

That’s right, President Trump wants to take “people” on a private plane to a private island in the Atlantic where they will hunt underage girls. The plane is, as yet, unnamed, but a former president has suggested the “Lolita Express”. A current candidate for president has suggested the “Handsy Vet”, but only after someone else pays for it and breaks it in. :frowning_face:

And blocks Star Trek beaming technology which spells doom for the planet, solar system, and if not impeached by February 14th, the entire universe.

Oh wait, wasn’t their someone claiming it was terrible for the “workers” (New York Times calls them party members) that President Trump’s first tax cuts triggered W-4 adjustments?

Only among the swampers and other entrenched ̶D̶e̶m̶o̶c̶r̶a̶t̶s̶ bureaucrats. Oops, one other group - neurologists were concerned that the official might not wake up before his head hit the floor. :slight_smile:

This is too easy. You’re missing the big story. President Trump has used that money to order 200 million swastika flags to be put in CA. I think he ordered too many, but government scientists have models showing there are 180 million hammer and sickle flags there, and the President plans to cover each one.

Former ChiComm leader endorses Biden and promises to pay his son even more … if Biden could get elected.

Former Nicaraguan strong-man Manuel Noriega endorses Biden and expects a pardon in order to bring more socialism to the continent.

Major Democrat contributor, Al Capone endorses Biden, after Biden promises to shut the country down if bureaucrats tell him to. Capone has cornered the market on AirBnB’s in Chicago and the upper mid-west. Party down, big Al

??? Getting things done? Draining Swamps? Or were they Democrats? In that case … Sending pics of their privates to underage girls? Paying exorbitant fees to high rent hookers? Spending everyone else’s money but their own?

And as promised the swastika flags to follow. :slight_smile:

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No, I’m not a fan of re-education camps, but I am a fan of a ban, like Germany. It would limit their reach and dampen their ability to spread the hate. It may not solve the problem, but it certainly makes the problem much smaller. We already take down foreign terrorist propaganda from social media and open internet. We already ban certain books or subversive materials that most of us probably have never even heard of, and I’m pretty sure most of the time the reasons are not liberal or conservative, but more likely about decency and morals that most of us either have or aspire to. Freedom of speech and expression has always had limits.

I don’t know why the conversation veered towards the word “Nazi” being allegedly used as a generic label by the liberals. I use the word very carefully to only label those who basically self-identify with words, actions, or symbols that are very specific to that movement.

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Well, let’s not emulate Germany in too many ways. :slight_smile:
Who will be the arbiter of what is ban-able and what isn’t? Right off the bat, I think that flag burning should be banned. Well, I guess in context, I think that flag burners should be banned along with all talk of it and encouragement to do it. It is hateful toward flag lovers, and I’m sure it upsets them very much.

If I don’t pass out at the keyboard, I’ll pull a couple of quotes that back up the comment. That is, if they haven’t been scrubbed from search engines. :slight_smile:

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Wow, I had to search all the way to a week ago. I never listen to Speaker of the House as she seems to look and sound like a crack abuser. After seeing this bit of pandering, I can sort of see how Bender and Argyll get all hopped up.
Republicans are guess.

And I have to all the way back to July for this one. I could have used several other sources, but assuming that picture is not doctored, do you see a resemblance to the emperor in Star Wars? I suspect that’s why they used that picture in a story about storm-troopers. :slight_smile:

Just so you don’t think I’m picking on Nancy in her old age. Here is one from the lock box king himself, Green Al Gore (GAG for short)

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Afaik that was all glitch referring to a Nazi party.
Nazis were white supremacists. Some white supremacists were Nazis, but that doesn’t mean all white supremacists are Nazis. The set relationships can be tough. It’s like a math problem in the SAT.

The racists and domestic terrorists are a small minority, but they are a large part of his core supporters. I don’t really count the “team red” or “team blue” as Trump base or Biden’s base (yes, those are usually counted in the term) - they’ll just vote for ANY Republican or Democrat, respectively. And they’ll likewise “strongly support” and make up excuses for ANY Republican or Democrat, regardless of who they are.

The way the two parties work is a minority of a minority selects the nominees. The small block of “deplorables” (unfortunate but entirely accurate flub by a terrible candidate for president…) that strongly support Trump are similarly only a small minority of people who vote(d) for him. But they were enough to push him to the largest plurality in the minority of the minority that selected the nominee.
If you want a “number”, I would guess it’s probably in the low to mid single digits percentage of the overall population. Duke’s followers would be a small subset of that group.

“Caravans” of even a couple vehicles (relatives, etc) aren’t normally legal, in normal conditions, driving on highways, because it creates unsafe road conditions. They only had an approved “demonstration” route to drive a loop around the outside of the city but no permission to drive through pedestrians downtown. Plowing through crowds with a large coordinated force of vehicles visibly staffed with heavily armed “protesters” is hardly just a peaceful drive through a city like some are portraying.

But now it’s getting to what you just said – the “caravan” of heavily armed “protesters” have every right to break traffic laws and drive through crowds while assaulting people with paintballs (also illegally violating curfew). Only the alt-right protesters are all right. Only the right’s rights are right. Wait, do three rights make a left? Now I’m lost in a city I’m unfamiliar with that I illegally entered, I better start shooting randomly with [paintball] rifles in self-defense.

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Unless you’ve already decided to be outraged, there’s nothing here to be outraged about. It is like any professional who chokes. Of course the stakes are much higher, he didnt even try to imply they werent, but the concept is exactly the same.

That article includes a lot of Trump’s typical garbled word salad. But he quite clearly said that while there are some bad apples out there, a lot of the ‘problems’ is good people making a mistake.

He added: “You could be a police officer for 15 years and all of a sudden you’re confronted. You’ve got a quarter of a second to make a decision. If you don’t make the decision — and you’re wrong — you’re dead. People choke under those circumstances, and they make a bad decision.”

But, ya’ know, just gotta keep pushing out those inflammatory headlines, reality be damned.

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