What’s the debate? He told his supporters to march on the Capitol. His attorney/adviser called for violence. Are you saying they didn’t say that? Or are you saying that that is not instigating it?
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No. Whatever your opinion on police officers is, and ignoring the fact that the vast majority of protesters during the summer were peaceful, attacking a police officer is simply not the same thing as breaking into the Capitol, where several high level federal government members are, for the purpose of stopping the presidential election votes from being counted.
Their goal is to keep the president in office. It’s literally the definition of an attempted coup.
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That’s assigning values. The action is the same.
They disagree. To them, the coup has already occured and they’re resisting it. The more you refuse to recognize that belief, the more you validate it. It’s basic human nature.
You can keep saying their claims have been proven baseless, but everything has also played out nearly exactly like they claimed it would 6 months ago.
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Trial by combat:
Sounds like violence to me.
“Values” as you use (thought not entirely sure what that means) are important. The president is a federal employee. So is a postal worker. Attacking the president is not the same thing as attacking a postal worker.
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Right, I agree with this. They (Trump’s supporters, not Trump himself) think they are resisting the coup. That could be true (and is probably true for at least a lot of them).
That doesn’t mean this isn’t a coup. The citizenry has no authority to engage in these procedures for the purpose of “righting” the election.
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Pretend there wasn’t a terrorist attack on the Congress of the United States today for a minute since that’s so disturbing…
Yesterday:
In general, I agree. But I also see how they’ve been left feeling there’s no other choice. They arent “right”, but there’s plenty of culpability to go around. Your (generic you, not you personally) dismissive reactions virtually ensured this would happen, as much as anything else.
I mean, this certification vote that some Senators had said they would oppose unless there first was some sort of commission to review everything. You’ve crucified them for that. But why the hell wouldnt you just go along with it? What everyone has claimed are baseless attempts to subvert democracy, I see as attempts to finally put the matter to bed. Give everyone the chance to feel that all the cards have been put on the table before any conclusions are finalized. But no, continue towing the party line of how dare anyone question the results. I think someone mentioned Trumps comment about “they stole the election, just go home” as being inflamatory, when in reality that was more productive than anything anyone else is doing.
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Not according to the instigators. They say it’s all personal responsibility and they bare no accountability for the terrorist attack.
They arent simply “not right”.
It was a terrorist attack on Congress and the Capitol. There is no alternative facts.
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It’s still a coup though. Whether they believed they were doing the right thing, whether they believed they were doing the wrong thing but it was justified, or whether they knew they were doing the wrong thing and it wasn’t justified, it’s a coup.
Also, I know you clarified you meant the generic you, but I do not consider myself in this category. I was open to facts coming out in Trump’s lawsuits that there was election fraud. Not only did Trump lose the lawsuits, they did not even allege in the lawsuits that there was fraud. It’s because lawyers know that if you directly lie to the court, you are subject to sanctions. So yes, once those arguments played out, at that time, I did dismiss people talking about the election being stolen because of voter fraud.
For the record, at the start of the protest today I told my wife that the media was being alarmist calling what the protesters were doing “storming the Capitol.” I welcomed the protest. Even though the protesters broke past the temporary barriers, I still found it an acceptable form of protest. Unfortunately, I spoke too soon, and unfortunately, I was wrong.
I did/maybe “do” but we’ll find out crucify them for it, because they were a major cause of this. But I was ready to go along with the objections. I’m in my home. I was, and am, not planning on storming the Capitol.
Yes, this specifically I would say is not particularly inflammatory, and may have helped. But Trump set the bomb. He’s the only one that can deactivate the bomb. People tried to stop the bomb timer. People pleaded with Trump to stop the bomb timer. He doesn’t get to be congratulated for doing more than anyone else to stop the bomb when he finally instructs people that the bomb be stopped. (I’m using this as a metaphor, I’m not referring to any actual bomb).
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That wasn’t the whole video. It’s irresponsible to further spread praise of terrorists.
This was the worst attack on US soil in modern history.
Twitter needs to keep the account deactivated, not just the 12hrs.
That statement was a tweet that occurred after they had broken in right? I stand by my statement that that statement itself was not particularly inflammatory. I’m not praising Trump.
Video tweet. Yes, (hours?) after the terrorists broke into the Capital and attacked Congress. The quote was not the whole video.
Well,
“If we win a few elections, we’re still going to be losing unless we win the hearts and minds of our children. This is the battle,” Miller said outside the U.S. Capitol at a rally on Tuesday. “Hitler was right on one thing. He said, ‘Whoever has the youth has the future.’”
Sure, lets call that praising Hitler for being right. Someone is trying to send a clear message, and it is not Rep Mary Miller.
Of course not. Like she said. It’s Hitler sending the “right” message through her…
I know incessant bullying has become the prefered means of getting rid of opposing opinions. But telling someone that they suck isnt a very good way to get them to decide to go away.
It’s mind blowing how anyone could think that such a constant barrage of disrespect will somehow convince the people being disrepected to fall in line.
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Sure, just double down on manufacturing more crap to be outraged about.
“Whoever has the youth has the future” is hard to dispute as not being true. It doesnt matter who said it. Unless you’re searching for a reason to create more hate.
It’s not acceptable but neither was a lot of the last four years, and especially this summer politically. BLM and the left’s uncritical support of it galvanized a lot anti-White racist policies which became harder to ignore. Equality under the law, long a principle America and civil society, was being thrown out for “Equity” and identity group handouts. Politics became a spoils system, rather than a system of government.
My point is - When one side stops playing by the rules, you can’t expect the other to keep tolerating crime / political and free speech suppression / violation of public norms indefinitely before they decide the rules have changed and violence is acceptable or the ends justifies the means.
Trump is a symptom of the left’s identity politics that seeks to divide and inflame group and racial tensions for the personal and political gain of their proponents.
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