The 2020 USA POTUS election politics, the civil war, and the world war (Part 1)

I bet the Space Jews hooked Joe up with a golf course on the Moon!

Both my parents were professional artists, one a painter… i got dragged to too many to count galleries as a kid with mom and dad. Hunter’s stuff isnt bad at all {though not to my particular taste}, he clearly is using style queues from Gustav Klimt.

Pot, meet kettle.

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Climate alarmism is as rampant in America as COVID-19 . . . . and equally dangerous to our well being.

Check with the thousands of workers who just lost great, well paying, jobs. And there are so many other examples of damage being done by climate mania. Pity . . . and totally unnecessary.

Again, pot – meet kettle!

Who are you talking about here? Coal workers? Coal has been in decline for a long time. And it’s not only dirty, it’s now also more expensive than cleaner alternatives. Nothing can save coal at this point, and any promises you hear are lies that don’t pan out (T**** promised to save plants and jobs, but there were fewer businesses and fewer jobs by the time he left office). Those coal workers need to retrain and work in solar. I bet the solar jobs are easier, less hazardous (since manufacturing is automated, most jobs are probably in sales and installation), and better paid. And coal jobs were never “great” – people only do them for the money, at great cost to their own health.

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Who are you talking about here?

They were almost certainly talking about the pipeline closure/cancellation.

I lost my job as a street horse poop sweeper when cars were invented.

/ Woodrow Wilson didn’t even help the street horse poop sweeping industry out, because that would be Socialism

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And the less than 50 permanent US jobs it would have created.

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Good point. How many jobs are we talking, given that the pipeline itself does all the work? A few hundred maintenance workers? Big whoop.

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And the less than 50 permanent US jobs it would have created.

Sure.

The most valid discussion about the pipeline, IMO, is around whether it successfully displaces rail-transport of oil, which is massively more dangerous than pipeline transfer of oil, and how that balances with concerns about the route.

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Good point. How many jobs are we talking, given that the pipeline itself does all the work? A few hundred maintenance workers? Big whoop.

Well, the short-term argument seems to be about the construction workers for the remaining sections. Though obviously those were not long-term jobs.

(along with vague belly-aching about how that pipeline was necessary for energy independence)

A couple million to clean up the unnoticed oil leaks. Oh wait, let’s just let it leach into the water supply.

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According to this amazing resource:

https://us-sankey.rcc.uchicago.edu/

our demand for coal shrunk by half since the peak in 2005, replaced mostly by natural gas and some biomass. And our demand for oil hasn’t changed much in the past 50 years, probably in part because increased vehicle efficiency standards made up for increased vehicle use. But I expect oil demand to shrink rapidly with automakers committing to cleaner cars and more people working remotely on a permanent basis. The big oil companies investing billions into green energy lends support to this idea. As does the automakers and tech companies’ own research into self-driving tech (some of the futuristic presentations I’ve seen, I think it was from either BMW or VW, mentioned that they expect fewer people to own vehicles in the near future).

The chart doesn’t show how much of that oil was produced at home vs imported. The pipeline contains imported oil from Canada. So it helps energy “independence” from the less-friendly oil producers, not full independence. But the whole thing may become moot if oil demand falls rapidly.

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We have 3-4 stupid repliers to your statement shinobi. They are liberal Biden followers that could all be put together & make a grand sh-- blob.

So pathetic!

No one dares mention all the thousands of folks that lost their jobs as you follow that pipe line down to Louisiana. These people are losers that follow Biden & his Make Americans Last. project.

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Those libby lib Texans are reporting otherwise on the job losses:

"Finally, a State Department report on the Keystone Pipeline found the project would only create 50 permanent long lasting jobs some of which would be in Canada, not the United States. "

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Ya know, those people could be putting up solar and wind power, which would actually help our national security by making us less dependent on countries which want to kill us.

/ Republicans dont actually care about national security though, a giant army and six hundred ship navy doesnt actually make you more secure.

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Well fracking has made us net energy exporters and the boom in very low price, clean natural gas has been much better for our bottom line, our energy independence, and our environment than Solyndra ever was. Of course fracking won’t last forever, but if the Obama era green energy debacles are anything to judge by, Biden’s upcoming green efforts won’t help either.

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If you thought oil is a resource causing conflict, take a closer look at clean water because you ain’t seen nothin’ yet…

Of course fracking screws the groundwater, so we got ruined groundwater going for us.

In fact I believe the fracking conversation has already happened in this thread.