The 2020 USA POTUS election politics, the civil war, and the world war (Part 1)

My comment was much more general, applicable to everyone. I mention it in reference to Biden’s rally rather than Trump’s, simply because Biden is charging $25 while Trump’s was free. It applies just as much to anyone’s May fundraising as well. Sure, the election goes on, but
it just seems a little contradictory/hypocritical.

And I dont really root for anyone, I think they’re all a bunch of blowhards.

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I agree with your reading of it.

I joked in the COVID-thread that stopping all testing and categorizing all COVID deaths as heart failures was the way to get perfect numbers but I was hoping that nobody seriously would take this kind of recommendation at face value.

And I believe that recommending less testing is dangerous for POTUS. What happens if people start refusing testing or protesting against the cost of testing, etc because of the statement? You saw what happened with the disinfectant comment… you cannot rule out that some are gonna take it literally and lead to negative outcomes. And in the end, I don’t think it makes a strong case for his handling of the pandemic response. Trump is still being blamed for a lot of the slowness in response, the confusion over statements walked back a few days/weeks later, etc… this just adds one of them to it in my opinion.

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That I can agree with LOL.

It really is sad… Over 300 million of us here, most of us eligible for the job and the two best we can come up with are Biden and Trump? Sad.

I’d guess less than half are eligible (35+ & natural born citizen cuts off half). So only half as sad :crazy_face:

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News you can’t make up.

https://disrn.com/category/not-the-bee

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175,000 people rally.

This “church” should have just went with the injectable disinfectant rather than fairy dust HVAC.

Third shooting in the CHAZ/CHOP area:

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-06-23/seattle-plans-to-dismantle-occupied-protest-zone-after-shootings

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A little late. But to be more accurate in your quote, you were supposed to say it was the largest Saturday night audience for Fox News in it’s hustory

(At least according to the tweet you’re referencing. I don’t care to look up actual Fox news viewership failings to verify the attempted claim.)

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Thank you for posting. I was unaware prior about the third shooting.

Guess that is unsurprising. Shootings inside are not the kind of news fans of the zone like to report.

I see the zone as a “rope-a-dope” promulgated by State of Washington potentates which . . so far at least . . has not worked. They were hoping to provoke Trump to such well justified outrage that he would send in forces to do an obviously needed cleanup. At that point they, and their allies in the national media, label Trump a Nazi. But it has not worked . . . at least not so far.

And now, with three shootings, the State of Washington potentates might just have to clean up their own mess. Sure hope Trump can hold his fire a little longer.

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This tossing of red meat to Trump’s base is kinda worrisome.

It doesn’t seem to gather a lot of support from anyone either on the business side or from GOP leadership. I mean, it’s a given that Trump wants to sound extra tough on immigration but this sounds like who cares about consequences for the country as long as it helps re-election.

To me, I fail to see how it helps the country. It’s sounds bad for the companies needing to hire skilled workers but also bad for the overall immigration situation. If you close the already very tenuous avenues for legal immigration, there’s not much else left than illegal immigration. And unless this is the country we want to be going forward, it becomes a lot harder to maintain the stance that you are pro legal immigration if you effectively shut it down when it’s politically convenient to do so.

And if it turns out into a bunch of court battles from business leaders against POTUS, it also makes us look like a chaotic self-destructing clown show - I mean further than we already do.

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Huge win just announced for General Flynn. The Democrat judge who was harassing him has been overruled by Trump-appointed judge in a HIGHER court.

This morning the good guys are WINNING!!

Dear Lord I hope Trump wins in November so he can continue to replace liberal judges with Conservatives!

" A 24-year-old real estate investor won the Republican nomination on Tuesday to fill a western North Carolina congressional seat vacated by Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff, unexpectedly defeating the former congressman’s handpicked successor who had been endorsed by President Trump.

Madison Cawthorn was on track on Tuesday night to defeat Lynda Bennett with nearly two-thirds of the vote, according to The Associated Press. The surprise victory — and the overwhelming margin — was remarkable given Ms. Bennett’s two-to-one fund-raising advantage and the vocal support of Mr. Meadows and Mr. Trump for her candidacy."

This is FAR less a big deal than the mainstream media would have you believe. The young man, Mr. Cawthorn, is a SOLID Trump supporter, was home schooled, and very nearly attended the US Naval Academy (he was injured and unable to attend for that reason).

North Carolina from Asheville on out west has some of the best, most conservative, Americans in the entire country. Anyone from out there who runs as a Republican is gonna be great. There are even Democrats in that region who are traditional and not nuts, as you would anticipate.

By “in” you mean “near”

“Seattle police on Tuesday said they were investigating a third shooting in the Capitol Hill neighborhood near the city’s “autonomous zone,” a day after the mayor vowed to dismantle the encampment set up by anti-racism protesters.”

and

“There have been no reports indicating that the shooting on the edge of Cal Anderson Park was related to the occupation zone.”

And by crime rate exploding there you mean “is happening at a less than the 2018 average rate”, where they averaged one violent crime per day.

https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2018/07/why-isnt-capitol-hill-more-afraid-of-crime/

CHAZ has two shootings since it was established on June 8, 2020, so one every 8 days, which doesn’t count the one you are saying was in CHAZ but link to a news post that says it wasn’t in CHAZ in it’s first paragraph.

So you might want to aggregate some other violent crime stats to make a proper comparison. Unless you have some news about other violent crimes that occur in CHAZ, crime is actually down in the area since it was established. So far you’ve only provided evidence that the violent crime rate in CHAZ has dropped since it was established.

Of course CHAZ is also in an area that in 2018 was already more than double the national average crime rate. So our baseline when police were there is already high.

https://www.areavibes.com/seattle-wa/capitol+hill/crime/

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Shhh! out of here with comparing statistics or using too many numbers. You sound like an elitist libral.

Did you forget the part where Flynn pled guillty? He admitted in court he did the crimes he was accused of.

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Lol. It’s a republican primary. You act like people are pretending it was a general election.

The trump-robocalled, trump-supported candidate and Meadows’-selected candidate was trounced. Despite having significant funds diverted to the campaign. That’s a solid loss.
Nice spin to: “Trump just didn’t know it was an even better candidate, or he would have endorsed him! Win!”

Why wasn’t he supported by Trump then? If both were supporters of POTUS, why not stay neutral. Personally, I’m not sure how I’d feel if the person I support very vocally supported my opponent.

It’ll be interesting to watch though. Cawthorn is gonna need GOP support for the main election so he’s probably gonna have to swallow is pride and pretend he was not spurned in the primary. At least as long as keeping on Trump’s side looks favorable for the main election. But if that becomes in question, then it’ll be popcorn-worthy to watch.

You’re picking and choosing stats.

From the 2018 crime chart you linked, there were no homicide in 2018. There were only 2 in the whole of 2017. There’s been at least one since CHAZ was established just over 2 weeks ago. Maybe it’s a coincidence or very bad luck. But it definitely sounds relevant in the discussion.

Maybe all other violent crimes are down but I have not seen believable evidence of that yet. And one could argue that evidence of crime rate over a 2-week period is too low sampling rate anyway. That shooting homicide may actually be evidence of this low sampling rate.

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