The 2024 election politics

Not really. Most states will still tax tips, so everyone will still need to go through most of the same motions.

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Since you’ve made such a declarative statement, I presume you know it to be fact. How do you know? Did President Joseph Robinette Biden tell you directly, or was it through one of his surrogates at CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSDNC?

And since you may think I’m kicking Word Salad Annie when she’s defenseless, here is one for her supposed pick to be her running mate.

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After having agreed to two presidential debates, and one vice presidential debate, it looks like Kamala has backed out of the Fox News debate for September.

So I guess she’s running a similar campaign to Biden, with no substance, no interviews, and hoping people hating Trump and MSM friendly coverage is enough to elect a communist? She might be right.

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The Rank choice voting disaster in Alaska continues. It looks like a ballot referendum to repeal it is tied up in the courts and ranked choice will be used in today’s 8/20/24 primary.

See this article about rank choice voting in Maine.

RCV requires a voter to rank each candidate on the basis of ‘least bad’ by assigning a numerical designation to the candidate the voter favors most to the candidate the voter favors least. If no candidate receives more than 50 percent of first-choice votes in the first round of voting, the last-place finisher is eliminated, and each ballot cast for that candidate is reallocated to the voter’s second-choice candidate. This process continues until one candidate receives a majority of votes.

What happens when a voter does not rank every candidate, and his choices are eliminated? The ballot is deemed ‘exhausted’ and is thrown out. Meaning, as designed RCV manufactures a majority winner by routinely discarding thousands of ballots so candidates need only win a majority of the remaining votes, not a majority of all votes cast.

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Meaning that those ballots count exactly as much as any other ballot cast for a losing candidate in any method of voting?

Or does it mean that voter’s choice counts exactly as much as it does when chosing to not vote under a traditional method? Which is essentially what the voter is chosing by not ranking more candidates - “I dont like the available options, so I choose to not vote for any of them.”

I dont think ranked choice is perfect, and there are valid arguments to be made against it. But calling it a disaster is pure hyperbole.

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Here is what happened in Maine in 2018. I call that a disaster that disenfranchised 8000 voters.

But Maine has been witness to the RCV catastrophe already. In the state’s 2018 Maine congressional race, then-incumbent GOP Rep. Bruce Poliquin lost to Democrat Jared Golden despite Poliquin winning the most votes in the first round of voting. In fact, more than 8,000 ballots were deemed “exhausted” and thrown out because voters didn’t list a choice vote—thus manufacturing a “majority” for Poliquin’s challenger.

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It will be interesting to see what happens as the week continues

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This is yuge. Let’s see what happens in Fulton county

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So…had it been a straight vote between Poliquin and Golden with no other choices, Golden would’ve won. When people chose not to vote, they are not disenfranchised. Their chosen candidate didnt win, and they chose to not cast a vote for one of the remaining options. You may not like their choice, but it’s really none of your business. You’re bitter because it didnt work out how you wanted it to work out.

We’ve commented before how the issue in Alaska is that they arent using ranked choice to merge the primary with the general election, they’re still holding 2 separate elections. That can cause issues, since the point of ranked choice is to start with a wide open field and end with a winner. Or something like that, this isnt exactly something that is getting much of my attention.

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No, read the post

despite Poliquin winning the most votes in the first round of voting.

Yes, I read the post. Read my post

(you even quoted it)

In a regular election, the candidate with the most votes wins. Poliquin would’ve won, even if there were many candidates on the ballot.

Edit. In states with party primaries, there might be multiple parties on the ballot, but again the candidate with the most votes wins in the final election

Edit. It looks like you may be stating what happens in a rank choice vote. But if there are more than two candidates, then the insanity with the RCV system begins.

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That is not correct. Enough voters made it clear that had their preferred option not been on the ballot, they would’ve selected Golden. Poliquin didnt have that same support.

What you are trying to do is disinfranchise those voters who picked one of the other options as their top choice, by holding them to only that top choice even when that choice is removed as an option. You want a third candidate (be it third party or whatever) to be able to split the ticket and allow the less supported candidate to sneak into victory by having the most votes, even though a majority of people would’ve selected either of the two other options before that person.

So what you are saying is that whoever gets the most primary votes should be declared the winner of the general election? Because that’s what the first few rounds of a ranked choice vote is, a de facto primary to narrow down the field to the candidates with the broadest support.

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I’m shocked, shocked to find moronics going on here. No one expected her to face anyone but a friendly media who will provide her with questions, and possbily answers, prior to any interview/debate.

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RFK planning to drop out this week, likely endorse Trump.

  • INDEPENDENT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR PLANS TO ENDORSE TRUMP -ABC NEWS
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They were not disenfranchised. “Winning the most votes” here means he won 46.3%, but 50%+1 is required to win in RCV. There were more people who voted against this person by ranking them lower or not voting for them at all. It seems like you don’t understand this concept and aren’t even trying to understand it, just reading and posting all these lies.

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Trump doesn’t know how to follow the rules unless they’re enforced. The only way to debate him is using the same rules they used when he debated Biden – no audience, strict time limits, and mic cutoff. I doubt Fox agreed to follow these rules. If they had, I’d see no reason for her to decline.

As far as being prepared, I’ve never heard Trump say anything relevant on any policy matter. Ever. He’s just a demagogue spewing short talking points and personal attacks. She can easily run circles around him on actual policy matters even without preparation.

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So I guess the reason she’s not even giving friendly interviews to the press is it’s not her personality she’s hiding but her disastrous far left policy positions? Here’s a good rundown on her media campaign and it’s and her lack of substance.

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The re-introduction of Kamala Harris, her transition from a nationally disliked Vice President to a transformational political savior. All it took was Democratic desperation at the prospects of Joe Biden running in 2024. Remarkable, truly.

Popularity is difficult to replicate…

The re-definition of Kamala Harris – presented to the world – is not an easy task. She has adopted politically unpopular positions in the past, from supporting open borders to ending private health insurance to shutting down drilling and fracking. She is known, weighed down by the policies and mistakes of the Biden Administration: inflation, lagging wages and a slowing labor market, the Afghanistan withdrawal, illegal immigration, the wars in Ukraine and Israel. She has zero significant achievements as Vice President.

Part of the difficulty in moving forward from Biden’s failures is the fact that Kamala struggles to define herself apart from the Biden Administration. The campaign’s official website still doesn’t address her positions on the issues. One reason for their silence is political calculation, the thought that the less she says about the issues the more she can campaign on platitudes: diversity and liberalism, freedom, democracy, whatever. It took weeks for her to speak on the economy…

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Lots more in the full article

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Willie will certainly attest to her “circling” skills. :rofl: As for speaking, it doesn’t help if she’s given questions. She also needs to be given the answers. Have you heard her speak (or try to) off the cuff? She knows lots of words and how to regurgitate them, but no matter how she regurgitates them, it’s till vomit.

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I do understand the concept, but I think it is illegitimate and cheats voters. Stop lying about it.