When will you allow yourself to be vaccinated?

… Because the numbers of overall infections are brought down as more people are vaccinated? And the sooner that occurs, the faster it can go back to “normal” and also reduce the risk of more dangerous variants arising before there are any additional means to combat them?

1 Like

Keep on pimping the propaganda if you must. All the doses are being used (unless the hyper-enlightened forbid them from being used in non-preferred demographics, and prefer them to be trashed if the right profile of recipient isnt available). Whether I get it or not is having zero effect on how much of the population is vaccinated. So your rambling is irrelevant.

All I want to know is with a line waiting to be vaccinated, why should I be desperately trying to elbow my way to the front of the line? Or more specifically to this context, why should those servicemen be lining up to get theirs ahead of everyone else? It’s not going to change their lives a damn bit for the forseeable future, so what’s so terrible about them letting their doses be reallocated?

FTFY

1 Like

Who said you should? Elbowing your way to the front of the line would be jumping ahead and getting vaccinated when you aren’t in a group that qualifies…

I’m confused. Is it “the more people the better” gets us back to normal quicker, or “only the right people at the right times” gets us back to normal quicker?

Besides, you really should keep reading past the generality and respond to the point that’s relevant to this sub-discussion.

Data. Science. Public Policy. An organized and efficient cooperative response.

Those at the CDC are rightly respected as the best in the world. (And are responsible for the success a select few countries have had during the pandemic).
I am not qualified to overrule public health policy, I am not an epidemiologist.

I am not going to establish my own different order of vaccination cohorts that I “feel” makes more sense. That’s not my job or my expertise. I’m an American citizen and I trust our scientific institutions as well as generally assume non-malevolent intent of those involved.

1 Like

News from Israel…

5 Likes

While some won’t allow themselves to get vaccinated, others, well…

2 Likes

Polk salad Annie, gators got your granny. :smile:

Wow! I must be in rare-air, knowing two people who contracted Covid between their first and second shots … or I’ve got some very unlucky acquaintances.

And I know six people who didn’t get COVID between 1st and 2nd shot. So I guess it works out? :smiley: :face_with_raised_eyebrow: :thinking:

3 Likes

I don’t know, Honkinggoose. You may have to give this vaccine deal a chance.
Your odds now are 2 against scripta’s 6.

So as I talked earlier about vaccine availability in CA its still lacking. As I’ve been saying you need to know someone to get vaccinated AT THIS moment. So still true.

My dh & I got shot a couple days ago.(did have to drag him in) Hopefully scripta’s odds are with us. :relaxed:

2 Likes

For half the time between shots, the vaccine offers no protection. So “between their first and second shots” is far to vague to be a meaningful datapoint.

I’m guessing that eventually it will be determined that the second shot mostly just doubles the cost of vaccinating everyone. That two weeks after being jabbed the vaccine is at top effectiveness, and the second shot is solely for durability - which no one really knows if the first shot lacks, since everyone has received two shots from the first trial.

1 Like

I thought I watched somewhere a scientific video that explained why 2 shots are necessary. Something like the 1st one trains the immune response to recognize the spike protein and create a defense against it, but it’s only in short-term immune memory (don’t remember the cell type), while the 2nd one forces it into long-term memory (T-cells?) or something.

And this isn’t the only vaccine that requires multiple shots – see children’s vaccination schedule. A bunch of them are 2, 3, or 4-dose series. Though the explanation for some of them is different (maternal immune cells protect the baby for about a year and render early vaccinations useless), for others the final dose happens 2-4 years after the initial few.

3 Likes

And old people’s vaccination schedule - the latest shingles vaccine is a two doser.

1 Like

That’s the general jist of it. Except for the fact the from the very first injection in the very first trial, there has been a second injection 4 weeks later. So there is zero data regarding the actual durability of the first injection. And while it might be a bit jaded to say, when the question becomes “should we sell twice as many doses to the same number of people?” I have a bit of trouble finding blind faith that the second shot is necessary. It’s kind of curious that the initial trials, or anything since, didnt include a one-shot test group.

3 Likes

Short excerpt of my take on the recent JNJ results, cross posted from the main thread.

But if I had a choice, I’d take one of the higher performing ones (PFE, MRNA, NVAX) over the lesser ones (AZN, JNJ). I suspect any of them will, after appropriate time to build your immunity, prevent the vast vast majority of all serious cases in both the original and variant strains, so in that sense any of these vaccines are still good ones.

5 Likes

Hope they’ll focus JNJ for younger people for ease/efficacy.

2 Likes

The great thing for the JNJ vaccine is the ability to stand up first-come-first-served mass vaccination sites without any of the logistics hassle of scheduling follow-ups or worrying about not using thawed-out vaccine with a limited shelf life…

4 Likes

https://www.investors.com/news/technology/vaccine-stocks-growing-number-seek-covid-shots-jj-launches-drug/

@glitch99 might be right about 2nd PFE MRNA dose might be overkill for the healthy

might