The way the vaccine trials measured it, protection is defined as your reduced relative chance of getting symptomatic covid compared to an unvaccinated person. So 50% protection would mean you would have a 50% chance if you were exposed in a way that would normally cause someone to get sick, to instead either not get sick or not notice it.
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But is that measured on an individual basis, or as a whole?
Iâm having problems grasping the idea that one personâs body would gain the capability of fending off an infection, but choose to utilize that capability only half the time.
Logic would conclude that your body either does or does not gain that capability, and 50% of people fall into each of those categories - meaning that 50% of the people receiving one shot are 100% protected and the other 50% are 0% protected. But thatâs not how it ever gets framed.
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Right, if you want to draw a hard line (sick enough to notice / not sick or not enough to notice), everyone is either sick or not sick. They calculate the 50% or whatever as a population average of people who are either definitely not sick enough to notice or definitely sick. So you can think of it as a 50/50 chance (or whatever odds) on a per person basis.
Of course itâs not that simple, because even after the shot is working, your odds of getting sick enough to need a hospital or of dying are much much lower than if you didnât have the first shot, so there is some partial protection against the worse outcomes as well.
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@pattyb53 Iâm replying to your message from another thread in this, more appropriate thread.
Medical workers have been getting vaccinated. I know a bunch of people in SoCal who received one dose and a few who got two (one in Bay Area). People over 65 just qualified and have appointments for next week. Have you checked your countyâs website? And if your county doesnât have any, maybe check nearby? I read Sacramento was setting up mass vaccination sites.
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So from a personal perspective, it really isnt partial protection. It just gives you better odds of being part of the lucky group. If you are in the unlucky (incrimental) half, youâre just as vulnerable as you were with no shot.
Maybe Iâm misunderstanding them despite trying to clarify, but it seems like a lot of people (at least around me) talk about â50% protectionâ in terms of every recipient will now only get 50% as sick. Not that 50% fewer people will get sick.
I donât think thatâs true. Certainly after both vaccine doses, the odds of needing hospitalization or dying go way way down per the trial results. Hard to tell with the stats so far on one shot, but I would expect your outcomes conditional on getting sick are better also.
They also have 4 national MCO that compete and everyoneâs on 1/4
According to this CDC slide deck for PFE, there is a 4-day prior grace period (e.g., day 17-21) for the booster: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-12/COVID-03-Mbaeyi.pdf
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Yes, Iâve checked the sites. The nurse at my doctors office said, âKeep calling.â
But the truth is CA is lagging behind in getting this vaccine out.
The truth is there was no fed distribution plan at all.
TX had 100ks trying to sign up for 10k-20k slots in my city a week ago⌠of which over half have been delayed and rescheduled another week because fed lied about when to expect them.
With no 2nd doses planned for federally and unreliable promises of shipments even for the immediate week, itâs a logistical nightmare to schedule the first (and 2nd to follow).
And then add to this Trump admin deciding to reduce pfizerâs commitment by 20% on the way out the door to further sabotage the countryâŚ
They approved relabeling despite not being any sufficient supply of syringes to extract the âextraâ dose.
It is behind some leading states by 5-6 days, and approximately three days behind the average. Thatâs hardly âlaggingâ in the grand scheme of things.
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I know some people personally who got vaccinated recently. The end of day at the vaccine centers they give out extra shots from reservation flakes to other people. There were no lines or way to get on this list by asking - you had to know someone to get in. sleazy and that was with 6 months advanced warning to figure out a good way to do it too. Color me unimpressed.
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I agree, this is worse than hunger games.
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George Sacamanoâs condoms and Georgeâs almost fatherhood come to mind.
Maybe you should murder someone. ⌠Again, just kidding, and please donât fall off the wall.
Same here. It reminds me of socialized medicine. You can only jump the line if you know the right people, and if circumstances allow it.
On the bright side, the people infected with the vaccine (first shot) recovered within 3 days.
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Very much so. Speaking of which, in the UK some vaccination organizers were using the private email links they were sending out to high priority candidates to sign themselves up sooner than their priority allowed.
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My closest Covid pharmacy keeps a list for that contingency. Sadly, Iâm #300.
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This? And I thought Shinobi was old. 
AZN âfake newsâ!
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