Severe undercounting. Anyone dying in their houses is unlikely to get tested for covid post mortem.
Itās mostly unnecessary to test post - mortem if they had a positive covid test in the past couple weeks before dying, donāt you think? Iād venture to guess anyone that wasnāt suicidal got tested at some point before their symptoms turned fatal. Like I said, if a doc is signing the death certificate, thatās what happens instead of an ME exam. Docs arenāt leaving covid off death certificates. If someone were healthy before covid and they died without a positive covid test, they should be doing an exam. I doubt there is that much undercounting going on unless healthy, young people are dying for no reason and the bodies are not getting examined. That may be the case, but I doubt itās happening here. My guess is the moment the personās doc or the ME hears they were positive for covid, case closed.
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Biden to order all government workers and contractors to get vaccine, no testing option.
Why does he hate covid survivors this much?
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Maybe a change to the thread title is required.
When I wrote that I was thinking as a long time resident of the United States of America, where freedom and liberty once reigned.
No longer. But I can remember when this used to be a free country.
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Finally contractors too. Should have also extended dod/cdc based health and safety requirements to all contractors as well as a contract requirement, very early on.
If it makes sense for direct federal employees, it obviously would also make sense as contact requirements for all federal contracts. Seems like low hanging fruit.
So you agreed that Trump had the authority to ban contractors from using CRT in their HR training materials?
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More on Biden mandates
BIDEN EXPECTED TO ASK LABOR DEPARTMENT TO ISSUE RULE FOR ANY EMPLOYERS WITH MORE THAN 100 EMPLOYEES TO HAVE A VACCINE AND/OR TESTING REQUIREMENT -NBC
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More details now available.
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Risks to kids, esp boys and young men.
Teenage boys are six times more likely to suffer from heart problems from the vaccine than be hospitalised from Covid-19, a major study has found
Children who face the highest risk of a ācardiac adverse eventā are boys aged between 12 and 15 following two doses of a vaccine, according to new research from the US.
Research published on Thursday will prompt fresh concerns about whether the risk of the vaccine outweighs the benefits for otherwise healthy children.
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Pres Biden is afraid theyāll go postal.
Besides, they donāt interact with the public in any way. Itās not like they handle objects that the general public would ever touch.
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Common sense would say that the contractors that physically enter govt. facilities, interact with govt. employees (or the public while representing the govt.) should be the ones that this applies to, if legal.
Iāve done federal contract work for almost 10 years, and have never been to the facility (itās two time zones away). Iāve only met one person, in person, involved in the contract. Iāve interacted with about a dozen over the phone. I guess our dear leader is going to say that covid can now spread through the phone, even if youāre wearing a mask. 
If I could get some work at an old folks home in New York, they probably would give me a pass.
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No, why do you think they canāt add restrictions to government contracts?
The employers are literally getting paid by the government to do thingsā¦ under certain requirements.
No one is required to be a government contractor. The pay for the contracts is high, well above private market rates, and there are many terms attached to the contracts.
Just like people arenāt required (and shouldnāt remain with) to pursue security clearances if they arenāt loyal to the US government and national security interests (in this case, with public health policy that meets national security interests communicated through the CDC and/or federal government, such as mitigation measures in high risk areas), and instead subscribe to foreign propaganda that is meant to damage US national security like that from Russia.
I see no legal issue with employers requiring vaccinations to remain an employee. Actually, wasnāt there a supreme court ruling on the legality of a mass state vaccination requirement?
Greenwald on how the ACLU was against vaccine mandates before they were for them.
In 2008, the group explained its purpose this way: āthe following report examines the relationship between civil liberties and public health in contemporary U.S. pandemic planning and makes a series of recommendations for developing a more effective, civil liberties-friendly approach.ā Its key warning: āNot all public health interventions have been benign or beneficial, however. Too often, fears aroused by disease and epidemics have encouraged abuses of state power. Atrocities, large and small, have been committed in the name of protecting the publicās health.ā
Compared to their latest in the NYT
[Many claim that] vaccines are a justifiable intrusion on autonomy and bodily integrity. That may sound ominous, because we all have the fundamental right to bodily integrity and to make our own health care decisions. But these rights are not absolute. They do not include the right to inflict harm on others. . . . While vaccine mandates are not always permissible, they rarely run afoul of civil liberties when they involve highly infectious and devastating diseases like Covid-19. . . .While limited exceptions are necessary, most people can be required to be vaccinated. . . . . Where a vaccine is not medically contraindicated, however, avoiding a deadly threat to the public health typically outweighs personal autonomy and individual freedom.
Personal rights? Bah!
The better points made by the ACLU pre-covid were that mandates and coercion were counterproductive and a poor approach to pandemics compared to honesty and education. Honesty certainly has been in short supply from our health officials this time around.
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Where, prey tell, did I say they canāt add restrictions to govt. contracts?
I love this line ā¦
In fact, far from compromising civil liberties, vaccine mandates actually further civil liberties. . . . .
Iāve never been a fan of the aclu, but accepted them as well-meaning into the late 60ās ā¦ but my Lord, how blind and/or stupid can people be?
I used to be a fan but the ACLU has gone woke and has a huge case of Trump Derangement Syndrome these days. hereās a clear take on their radical departure from their original mission from one of their directors who still remembers what they (used to) stand for.
The embrace of political partisanship, the dropping of standards, the buckling to donor demands at the expense of long-held principlesāGlasser says all of these developments have rendered the ACLU unrecognizable from the group he once led. The roots of the ACLUās evolution from principled, nonpartisan defender of civil liberties into just another cog in the progressive machine are cultural
These days they are calling for banning books (transphobia!) instead of protecting them. Burn the witches!
āAbiĀgail ShriĀerās book is a danĀgerĀous polemic with a goal of makĀing peoĀple not trans,ā Chase StranĀgio, the AmerĀiĀcan Civil LibĀerĀties Unionās deputy direcĀtor for transĀgenĀder jusĀtice
Thereās your problem right there.
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He was a force to be reckoned with, even as a kid ā¦ or so Iāve heard. To be fair, part of this is his fault, as he allowed/encouraged cozying up to Amoralcrat donors. He also encouraged money-toting lunatics to have a seat at the table. Iām happy heās alive, but slightly sad that he sees what his policies have begotten.
Huh! Who the heck is against transportation? It may be the life-blood of the economy. Next, theyāll be saying the underground RR was homophobic.
Mandates
āWe must guard against this disease known as the Constitution before it inhibits our ability to fight COVID and all the variants, which are way more dangerous than ending the American experiment once and for allā
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