When will you allow yourself to be vaccinated?

Healthcare worker mandate blocked by the courts

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Federal contractor mandate blocked in the courts, judged likely unconstitutional

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Canada - ā€œpapers pleaseā€

Arguably a recent negative test, previously allowed as an alternative, would be better than a vaccine since itā€™s not like the vaccines prevent you from getting infected and transmitting the virus (just reduces both those risks by half or so vs Delta).

But I guess that depends if your goal is to prevent the spread of the virus or to bully your citizens into getting vaccinated.

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Bump, to make room for more xerty goodnessā€¦

Germany - taking the voluntary out of the vaccines.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-01/merkel-calls-for-mandatory-shots-restrictions-for-unvaccinated

Merkel is recommending that people not fully vaccinated be prevented from going into restaurants, movie theaters and non-essential shops. She is also calling for mandatory Covid shots starting in February 2022.

Sheā€™s on the way out, but thatā€™s how things are leaning.

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AZN blood clots. As suspected, when the vaccine gets into your blood, it interacts with the platelets there and apparently they group together. Then when your immune systems finds it, it attacks both the platelets and the virus, and eventually can create antibodies that attack your own platelets causing the rare and often deadly disorder.

One more pitch for aspiration, if nothing else.

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German study of covid risks to kids by age group, and also by whether or not they have any health issues. See charts at end.

The 5-11 age group was at lowest risk, especially the otherwise healthy ones. Only deaths in healthy kids were the youngest group (<5), who were higher risk than even the teens generally. The death risk to a healthy kid 5-18, at least from the time studied, is less than ~1 in 500k. Could well be much lower, but when you have no deaths at all, itā€™s hard to say with what probably those deaths that didnā€™t happen, indeed didnā€™t happen.

All kids were at low quite but similar risk of the full body covid inflammatory syndrome.

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Another bump, just in case thereā€™s moreā€¦

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Reminder to all ā€œbirthing personsā€ or ā€œpregnant peopleā€ to get their vaccine and also to breast feed their baby. Covid complications during pregnancy are definitely worse, both for the mother and for risk of miscarriage. Afterwards, the various immune cells from vaccination are at least partially transferred via milk to the baby which is also good because covid can be bad for babies moreso than kids.

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A vaccination pitch to help stay out of the hospital and to avoid covid generally. Risk of death post-severe covid was 2-3x higher in the following year for survivors.

The 12-month risk of mortality was assessed in unadjusted Cox regressions and those adjusted for age, sex, race and comorbidities. Separate subgroup analyses were conducted for (a) patients aged 65 and older and (b) those <65 years.

The 12-month adjusted all-cause mortality risk was significantly higher for patients with severe COVID-19 compared to both COVID-19 negative patients (HR 2.50; 95% CI [2.02, 3.09] and mild COVID-19 patients (HR 1.87; 95% CI 1.28, 2.74). The vast majority of deaths (79.5%) were for causes other than respiratory or cardiovascular conditions.

These are not obviously covid related deaths, ie not from clotting or breathing causes, but some other bad mechanisms in terms of covid screwing up your body in a ongoing way.

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Iā€™d question if this was the case.

The people I know who were hospitalized with covid and then struggled for months after, now say the covid infection wasnt particularly bad (yes, they were initially hospitalized because of covid, so it wasnt ā€œmildā€ either).

Their ongoing complications have revolved around the fact the doctors wouldnt allow them to continue taking their previous medications while infected, and so their now-untreated conditions raged uncontrolled causing countless cascading issues.

So I wonder how many of these supposed covid-complications are actually caused by the covid infection, and how many are due to neglect while focused on treating covid.

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Certainly possible. My question reading that was just that being hospitalized for a serious condition is bad for you generally, so I wasnā€™t sure what the control would be for that (non covid hospitalized people?). For example, they saw higher mortality risk after severe cases for the elderly, which is entirely plausible since for many older people, it wonā€™t take much to tip them from healthy to weakened, immobile, etc and just being on a ventilator at all for example is associated with ongoing health issues for months afterwards. But the elderly didnā€™t see more mortality risk after mild cases, while non-elderly adults did, so I do think thereā€™s something going on but Iā€™m not sure exactly what.

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The older you are, the more likely your underlying medical anomalies/conditions have already emerged and been diagnosed?

A 30 year old and a 70 year old may have the same mild heart condition, but the 30 year old hasnt suffered a reason to undergo the tests needed to uncover it yet - so the condition is already factored into the 70 year oldā€™s mortality risk (and thus doesnt increase it), but not the 30 year oldā€™s (and thus does increase it when covid causes it to be discovered).

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+1 these are IM for a reason. Wonder if the mRNA makes a difference to clot cascade

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Yes, indeed. mRNA vaccine side effects are not so much the clotting issues, which seem to be specific to the adenovirus vector and how it can interact with platelets, but myocarditis and other weird issues from getting the vaccine in the blood where it can enter, and your immune system subsequently attack, heart cells, liver cells, nerve cells, etc, besides the muscle cells where itā€™s intended.

I posted this earlier about a mouse experiment where they gave the human mRNA vaccine IV vs IM. 30-60% of the IV group had evidence of heart damage, some had liver damage, etc. the IM group was fine.

Conclusions: This study provided in-vivo evidence that inadvertent intravenous injection of COVID-19 mRNA-vaccines may induce myopericarditis. Brief withdrawal of syringe plunger to exclude blood aspiration may be one possible way to reduce such risk.

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Papers please, the NYC edition.

Starting December 14th, the program will require children aged 5-11 to show proof of one vaccination dose for those [dining, fitness, entertainment and performance] venues.

The mayor also announced a first-in-the-nation vaccine mandate for private-sector workers. The mandate, which will take effect on December 27th, will apply to roughly 184,000 businesses.

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You can be pretty sure that de Blasio will lose all Democrat funding and support for future elections. They are staunchly against ā€œpapers, pleaseā€ laws.

So much for the federal contractor mandate.

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Mandates kill their first kids in Germany, probably more healthy kids than covid has.

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PFE 2 doses looks like it doesnā€™t work, or doesnā€™t work very well at all, against O. However, those who had PFE and also covid exposure still had what looks like enough protection. They tested blood samples against the O virus to see if it would be stopped by their antibodies, and at what concentrations.

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https://twitter.com/sigallab/status/1468325159501287434

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Laboratory research from South Africa strongly suggests that the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant escapes antibody immunity induced by the Pfizer-BioNTech (Comirnaty) vaccine, but that considerable immunity is retained in people who were both vaccinated and previously infected.

Antibody neutralization isnā€™t everything, but itā€™s sure not a good sign. Meanwhile, hospitalized numbers are rising in SA.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-07/s-africa-daily-covid-hospital-admissions-more-than-double

According to the National Institute for Communicable Diseases 383 people have been admitted to hospital with the disease in the last 24 hours compared with 175 in the preceding period.

Of the 13,147 new cases recorded 64% were in Gauteng, the province that includes Johannesburg and Pretoria, compared with 70% of the 6,381 cases the day earlier, according to a statement from the NICD.

The positivity rate of tests was 24.9% on Tuesday, down from 26.4% the day earlier. Over the 24 hours 27 deaths due to Covid-19 were recorded, taking the total confirmed death toll in the country since the pandemic began to 90,002.

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