When will you allow yourself to be vaccinated?

Kids rare post-covid inflammatory syndrome appears to be a lot lower with O than prior variants. Data is incomplete as it can take up to 6 weeks to show up, but so far so good.

As a reminder, it’s suspected that this is an autoimmune disease triggered by antibodies to covid exposure (or vaccine I suppose) which then attack the body systemically and lead to serious and possibly deadly levels inflammation.

On the bright side, the cases are something like 1 in 2000 confirmed covid cases, and of course with kids not often having symptoms or serious symptoms to get tested, the rate is no doubt considerably lower than that. With appropriate medical care, the death rate among those confirmed MIS-C cases is about 1%.

And there’s Uncle Joe. He’s a’movin kinda slow … at the Junction. With masks being unmasked, moronically named social distancing being abandoned, everything opening up (including barbers), “prime time” Pres Joe Biden sent my wife and I four Covid tests that expire in July.

With this kind of timing, the Ukranians can expect U.S. Abrams (why weren’t they called Pattons) tanks, missles, an Iron Dome (despite the foursquad’s objections), and U.S. “advisors” in 2024.

On second thought , Uncle Joe’s sense of timing may lead him to send muzzleloaders, B-17s, M4 Shermans, P-51s and dreadnaughts. :wink:

Not sure if this is the best thread but I just saw that you can get more “free” tests next week.

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Kids and omicron.

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I will probably wait a while before ordering more. The ones I received expired in 5 months. Besides, no one will mention covid, except as part of the blame game, before the mid-terms. It won’t matter how many old folks Cuomo sends to their death in nursing homes.

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good point, also tests will be probably be free/clearance at $1.25 store by then too.

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Kids, from that conference I linked to in the general thread.

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did he go into why, other than unknown long term risks? (which we don’t know about mild covid long term risks either)

Short term kids are doing ok (been a year for my son)

Risk / reward basically, when the risks to healthy younger people are a lot lower than other groups for covid. Vaccine side effect risks are low too and quite rare, but can be quite bad.

Lots of the EU aren’t recommending vaccines for under 18, and while they’re not “recommending against them”, the US has had a much less science and more agenda- driven approach to our CDC/FDA recommendations.

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My own opinion is that it has more to do with the urgency of the messaging and implied by a EUA. My guess is that the vaccine will eventually prove to be at least somewhat more beneficial to kids. But the preferred narrative reads like all these kids are hanging by their fingertips and they absolutely must latch in to an anchor point or else fall to their certain death. That simply isnt true, and is the root of what has turned so many people off.

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I agree. Got my teen boy vax last year, and my 6 yo this year during Omnicron. But Not doing boosters. Maybe yearly with flu if Novovax gets the combo approved by 2023

Not sure comparing it to polio is helpful, and whether it possible to eliminate resp. virus:

i hear ya recommending against them implies danger. which I am not convinced it’s dangerous TO Vax, compared to the disease. I’m against mandates either way.

Agenda driven is why the food pyramid still has wheat/carbs as base, Thanks FDA Food industry complex!

Whaaaa…t’s wrong with carbs as base? :open_mouth:
(new thread?)

I didn’t know they changed it to a pyramid, but carbs can readily lead to diabetes.

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you’re right it was a pyramid, is a plate :smile

i guess it’s related to this thread in that our diets/lifestyle lead to health which affect covid outcomes.

JNJ the comeback kid Johnson & Johnson's Covid-19 vaccine worked better than it gets credit for and may play an important role in the future | CNN

The mRNA vaccine technology has been shown to quickly elicit a potent and robust immune response after vaccination, but that can wane over time. Johnson & Johnson’s virus-vector platform may not spark as powerful of an immune response in the short term, but it is known to have strong durability.

“Over time, the efficacy of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines goes down, the efficacy of the J&J vaccines remains stable, and so it is exactly as you would predict: that they will converge and they will then cross,” Barouch said.

The J&J vaccine also might have “a particular edge,” he said.

“The immune system is actually made of two arms: the antibodies side and the T cells. And the type of T cells that are critical for prevention of serious illness are called CD8 T cells,” Barouch said. “The J&J vaccine raises better CD8 T cells than the Pfizer and other mRNA vaccines, so the J&J vaccine might have a particular edge for variants like Omicron that largely escaped from antibody responses.”

Overall, Barouch called this data “very reassuring” for recipients of the J&J vaccine.

“They should be reassured that they received a vaccine that gives very good protection for a long period of time,” Barouch said. “And I think the second message is that I think people should learn about these new data in terms of considering booster shots, as well.”

Prospects as a booster?

David Montefiori, a virologist at Duke University Medical Center, said “the J&J vaccine has kind of gotten a bad rap because of the efficacy, but the stability of the response is intriguing.”

The antibody level went down with every vaccine during the Omicron surge, and that could mean people need an additional booster. More research is needed to find out.

A yet-unpublished study by the National Institutes of Health looking at a mix-and-match vaccine strategy saw good results when J&J was included, Montefiori said.

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“In people who got the Pfizer vaccine initially and then a boosted with the J&J vaccine, those people made pretty high levels of neutralizing antibodies to Omicron: 10 times higher than people who got two shots with just the J&J vaccine,” he said. “So the J&J vaccine might be a good booster for people who got an mRNA vaccine initially.”

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine can be used for primary doses or as a booster, but the CDC says the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are recommended in most situations because of the risk of serious adverse events with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

The J&J vaccine has been linked to rare cases of blood clots with low platelets, known as thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome or TTS. “It occurs at a rate of about 3.83 cases per million Janssen doses and has resulted in deaths,” the CDC says.

Dr. Angela Branche, an infectious disease specialist and associate professor of medicine at the University of Rochester, said the side effect profile of the J&J vaccine “remains something that’s of concern for some groups where that risk is high.” Women ages 30 to 49 years are at increased risk of this rare adverse event, the CDC says.

But if that research pans out, the J&J vaccine may be useful as a booster for only certain populations.

“For some groups where that risk of developing serious blood clots is not very high, like older adults, this may be a good strategy,” Branche said.

Montefiori said the vaccine deserves more study.

“I think there might still be a place for the J&J vaccine in the long-term picture of this pandemic,” Montefiori said.

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Hmm … I guess we know what stock has a sizable share in Chris Licht’s portfolio. :laughing:

I need to take very gentle issue with that. Here is how I see the facts:

J&J is a huge, gargantuan, pharma/med supplies outfit. So the impact of their COVID vaccine sales . . . even if those sales were much larger . . . is not comparatively significant. Said another way, you cannot tout the J&J vaccine and then turn around and make a killing on their stock.

Compared with what? Compared with Pfizer and (especially) with Moderna. For those two vaccine providers, their vaccine sales contribute a much larger percentage of their bottom line and have real impact on their stock price.

As a “follow the money” person, I have long believed the above accounts for subordination of J&J among the elite talking heads, to include both medical people and mainstream media big shots. Now they would counter that fewer people opted for J&J vaccinations than for the others, so they are merely focusing their attentions on the majority.

However millions of Americans have received the J&J shot and, in my view, there is no justification for the J&J being given the short shrift it receives. Except:

There is not the money to be made by those same elites with J&J as with the other two vaccines. And I always follow the money.

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I’ve got no argument with anything that you wrote. I had just read an article about the changes Licht was going to make, and then read @jesselivermore’s post. It was humorous … in my head … at the time.